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I am catholic. But we don't go to church at all. We only pray to God, and my mom crosses herslef rarely.

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Yeah, I'm catholic, but my life is much simpler than that. The statues are only supposed to be of people who were good in the bible, some believe that having them in their homes is a way of inviting good things or like showing your respects or something ( you can see where I don't pay to much attention in church can't you? lol) ANd I have a hard time with the whole bible thing. The bible was written by a man who claims to have spoken with God, not by God himself. So yeah, I can see where's it's all confusing.

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Quote: from Anonymous at 2:58 am on July 24, 2008

Quote: from Nevorom at 11:57 pm on July 23, 2008

oh wait you forgot the best part... theyre not allowed to read their own holy word.. lol why do i need some OLD fart to tell me what "God" has allready had written down for man to interperet(sp)? i can read just as well as the next person if not better
 

What do you mean? They don't read the Bible?


roman catholics arent allowed to read it because they're not "holy" enough.... the old fart at the podium was "chosen" by their God to interperet the Word for them

im sorry but the bible says that the holy spirit dwells inside the saved so that you can take the word and interperet it directly from go to what you need to get out of it.

both my parents were raised catholic but crossed to baptist and were* amazed at the difference. i personally was never called to Christianity

edit 1: we--> were*

Post edited at 12:13 am on July 24, 2008 by Nevorom

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Quote: from kittymunchy at 12:00 am on July 24, 2008

a lot of it as to do with the symbolism behind our practices...  

when we "pray to a zillion other people" (called saints), its not worshipping them; they are like messengers who bring specific kinds of prayers made to God. we make statues of some saints to help with connecting ourselves, since some people have issues with imagination...


Ok but the Bible says you're not supposed to worship idols or statues and all that except for God. So what is the point of statues? And why do you pray to Mary and "saints"?


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Like any other religion, you need to be able to accept things on faith

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i dont understand it either and ive been catholic all my life. i just text during church and hope not to get caught.

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Quote: from shesallithinkabout at 12:00 am on July 24, 2008

well im not exactly catholic but went to a catholic school and studied catholicism:
- confession is good cuz it can allow you to let out what your really feeling anonymously instead of bottling it up and sacrementally it is a forgiveness and confession of your sins to god
- the saints are those who have followed JEsus and are blessed by god, they pray to them so they can give them strength to follow in their footsteps (someone like Mother Teresa who will probably be given sainthood)
- Statues is just to show their love lol i dunno actually about that
- Jesus is the only child of God yes?
- In the bible it says mary was inpregnated by the holy spirit, this is no different in any other sect of christianity
- Crossing themselves is just like how you start a prayer, its just a tradition

Okay but youre only supposed to confess sins to God because he's the only one who can grant forgiveness, not a priest.

You're not supposed to pray to anyone except for God/Jesus

Jesus has brothers and sisters

What is the point of crossing yourself? I dont understand that.


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Quote: from Nevorom at 12:04 am on July 24, 2008

Quote: from Anonymous at 2:58 am on July 24, 2008

Quote: from Nevorom at 11:57 pm on July 23, 2008

oh wait you forgot the best part... theyre not allowed to read their own holy word.. lol why do i need some OLD fart to tell me what "God" has allready had written down for man to interperet(sp)? i can read just as well as the next person if not better
 

 What do you mean? They don't read the Bible?


roman catholics arent allowed to read it because they're not "holy" enough.... the old fart at the podium was "chosen" by their God to interperet the Word for them

im sorry but the bible says that the holy spirit dwells inside the saved so that you can take the word and interperet it directly from go to what you need to get out of it.

both my parents were raised catholic but crossed to baptist and we amazed at the difference. i personally was never called to Christianity


Wow! Not even worthy enough to read the Bible... wow


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Quote: from Anonymous at 3:10 am on July 24, 2008

Quote: from Nevorom at 12:04 am on July 24, 2008

Quote: from Anonymous at 2:58 am on July 24, 2008

Quote: from Nevorom at 11:57 pm on July 23, 2008

oh wait you forgot the best part... theyre not allowed to read their own holy word.. lol why do i need some OLD fart to tell me what "God" has allready had  written down for man to interperet(sp)? i can read just as well as the next person if not better

  What do you mean? They don't read the Bible?


 
roman catholics arent allowed to read it because they're not "holy" enough.... the old fart at the podium was "chosen" by their God to interperet the Word for them  

 im sorry but the bible says that the holy spirit dwells inside the saved so that you can take the word and interperet it directly from go to what you need to get out of it.  

 both my parents were raised catholic but crossed to baptist and we amazed at the difference. i personally was never called to Christianity


Wow! Not even worthy enough to read the Bible... wow


exactly my point

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Quote: from lovelikeadove at 2:56 am on July 24, 2008

ok here we go....catolics do not worship mary
they olny pray to her becaue she is marys mother...
I am baptist i do not believe to pray to mary.
God gave mary the baby so he could live a human life and die on the cross for us.
YOu should olny confess things to the one and olny all powerful god

Wrong. We only pray to Mary and the Saints because they can intervene with God for us, thus making our prayer stronger, in a sense. In other words, made much more simpler... we're asking them to pray for us, so we don't pray to them. It's kind of like talking to a dead relative, I guess.

Statues is only symbolic. We don't worship them. We only look at them as a reminder and even as an art piece at times. Why do we have crosses? It's a reminder of what Jesus did for us on the cross.

Confession is pretty much an old tradition of the church. In a way, it's symbolic in it's own way. What you're asking for forgiveness over is between you, the priest, and God. The priest pretty much is like a therapist and is your "go-between".

We never said Jesus was the only son... even my priest will tell you there's a great possibility that there are more kids that Mary and Joseph had. There's suggestions of that in the Bible.

Mary's a virgin. Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit/Ghost, which is a miracle in itself. How do other Christians view that (never thought to ask non-Catholics about that one, myself, as I have thought this was rather universal throughout all Christians).

We cross ourselves because of it's like a makeshift cross that reminds us of what Jesus did on the cross for us. For more detailed answer and such: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sign_of_the_cross


Catholics just have a LOT of tradition and a LOT of symbolism on how some of our traditions became to be. When you're in college and take an Art History class, you'll realize that.


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Quote: from dreamweaver at 3:14 am on July 24, 2008

Quote: from lovelikeadove at 2:56 am on July 24, 2008

ok here we go....catolics do not worship mary
they olny pray to her becaue she is marys mother...
I am baptist i do not believe to pray to mary.
God gave mary the baby so he could live a human life and die on the cross for us.
YOu should olny confess things to the one and olny all powerful god

 

Wrong. We only pray to Mary and the Saints because they can intervene with God for us, thus making our prayer stronger, in a sense. In other words, made much more simpler... we're asking them to pray for us, so we don't pray to them. It's kind of like talking to a dead relative, I guess.  

Statues is only symbolic. We don't worship them. We only look at them as a reminder and even as an art piece at times. Why do we have crosses? It's a reminder of what Jesus did for us on the cross.  

Confession is pretty much an old tradition of the church. In a way, it's symbolic in it's own way. What you're asking for forgiveness over is between you, the priest, and God. The priest pretty much is like a therapist and is your "go-between".  

We never said Jesus was the only son... even my priest will tell you there's a great possibility that there are more kids that Mary and Joseph had. There's suggestions of that in the Bible.  

Mary's a virgin. Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit/Ghost, which is a miracle in itself. How do other Christians view that (never thought to ask non-Catholics about that one, myself, as I have thought this was rather universal throughout all Christians).  

We cross ourselves because of it's like a makeshift cross that reminds us of what Jesus did on the cross for us. For more detailed answer and such: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sign_of_the_cross  


Catholics just have a LOT of tradition and a LOT of symbolism on how some of our traditions became to be. When you're in college and take an Art History class, you'll realize that.



so you need a dead person whose bones have allready disentigrated into dust to talk to god for you?

seems sorta asinine to pray at all then.
the crossing is just as much a reminder of the original cross as it is an invocation for protection and guidance

and why do i need a go-between to confess my "sin"

Post edited at 12:22 am on July 24, 2008 by Nevorom

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Quote: from dreamweaver at 12:14 am on July 24, 2008

Quote: from lovelikeadove at 2:56 am on July 24, 2008

ok here we go....catolics do not worship mary  
 they olny pray to her becaue she is marys mother...  
 I am baptist i do not believe to pray to mary.  
 God gave mary the baby so he could live a human life and die on the cross for us.  
 YOu should olny confess things to the one and olny all powerful god

Wrong. We only pray to Mary and the Saints because they can intervene with God for us, thus making our prayer stronger, in a sense. In other words, made much more simpler... we're asking them to pray for us, so we don't pray to them. It's kind of like talking to a dead relative, I guess.

Statues is only symbolic. We don't worship them. We only look at them as a reminder and even as an art piece at times. Why do we have crosses? It's a reminder of what Jesus did for us on the cross.

Confession is pretty much an old tradition of the church. In a way, it's symbolic in it's own way. What you're asking for forgiveness over is between you, the priest, and God. The priest pretty much is like a therapist and is your "go-between".

We never said Jesus was the only son... even my priest will tell you there's a great possibility that there are more kids that Mary and Joseph had. There's suggestions of that in the Bible.

Mary's a virgin. Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit/Ghost, which is a miracle in itself. How do other Christians view that (never thought to ask non-Catholics about that one, myself, as I have thought this was rather universal throughout all Christians).

We cross ourselves because of it's like a makeshift cross that reminds us of what Jesus did on the cross for us. For more detailed answer and such:
 
Catholics just have a LOT of tradition and a LOT of symbolism on how some of our traditions became to be. When you're in college and take an Art History class, you'll realize that.


That explained quite a lot, thanks. I'm alittle confused about the confessing thing because there's not supposed to be a go between with you and God... but whatever.

Another question, why do you consider yourselves not holy enough to read the Bible?


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so you need a dead person whose bones have allready disentigrated into dust to talk to god for you?

Well, there is a process in which a person becomes a saint. The church does investigations on their lives. We believe in the Trinity (you might want to wiki that to understand more), and that the Holy Ghost is indeed God. We believe that if the Holy Spirit worked so strongly in a person that has been granted Sainthood, that they still can help us even after death.

To think of it is layman's terms, why do some people talk to their dead loved ones?


why do you consider yourselves not holy enough to read the Bible?

We read the bible. That's a pretty stupid assumption... no offense. During a Catholic mass, we have 2 scripture readings and a Gospel reading, among other things from the bible, so that's rather ridiculous claim.

Plus, what would be the point in having a Catholic issue Bible?

Where did you hear that from, btw?


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Quote: from Nevorom at 3:04 am on July 24, 2008

Quote: from Anonymous at 2:58 am on July 24, 2008

Quote: from Nevorom at 11:57 pm on July 23, 2008

oh wait you forgot the best part... theyre not allowed to read their own holy word.. lol why do i need some OLD fart to tell me what "God" has allready had  written down for man to interperet(sp)? i can read just as well as the next person if not better
 

What do you mean? They don't read the Bible?


roman catholics arent allowed to read it because they're not "holy" enough.... the old fart at the podium was "chosen" by their God to interperet the Word for them


Haha what. That is total bullshit. You are either ignorant or a bald-faced liar.

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Its not just catholics...cristianity has same basic idea's of religion, and catholics are a branch from christianity

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