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Want proof that Islam is correct? Read the Qur'an. it's all in there.

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islam is not correct. Does islam have prophecies in the quran that were clearly fullfilled? i doubt it. The bible has numerous prophecies that were fulfilled with 300+ references. Christianity is the truth.

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If that were the truth, there would be individuals without a vested interest (i.e. non-Christians) pointing this out. Vague "prophecies" are easily fulfilled. Vague prophecies can be fulfilled whenever history says it's convenient, time and time again. Vague prophecies offer no proof of the validity of Christianity as a belief system.

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Quote: from Trust412 at 2:19 pm on July 23, 2008

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islam is not correct. Does islam have prophecies in the quran that were clearly fullfilled? i doubt it. The bible has numerous prophecies that were fulfilled with 300+ references. Christianity is the truth.

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If that were the truth, there would be individuals without a vested interest (i.e. non-Christians) pointing this out. Vague "prophecies" are easily fulfilled. Vague prophecies can be fulfilled whenever history says it's convenient, time and time again. Vague prophecies offer no proof of the validity of Christianity as a belief system.

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vague? its not very vague dude. its just that people do not read the bible, or either they dont study the bible carefully. This site shows a few prophecies that Jesus fulfilled. http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/messianicprophecies.html  . The bible prophesized clearly the date, place, and time of when the messiah would come to earth, and indeed, Jesus was born on that particular day, time and place,

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vague? its not very vague dude. its just that people do not read the bible, or either they dont study the bible carefully. This site shows a few prophecies that Jesus fulfilled. http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/messianicprophecies.html  . The bible prophesized clearly the date, place, and time of when the messiah would come to earth, and indeed, Jesus was born on that particular day, time and place,

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And here, I thought you were talking about modern day fulfillments of Biblical prophecy. This'll be easier than I thought.

Think of it this way. The Bible says some stuff that sounds like or is interpreted like "Messiah will be born x." and the Bible says stuff that is interpreted as "Jesus was born x." and that's supposed to be evidence that Christianity is true? You don't see a problem there?

Just for kicks, "Self-fulfilling prophecy."

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Quote: from Trust412 at 2:42 pm on July 23, 2008

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vague? its not very vague dude. its just that people do not read the bible, or either they dont study the bible carefully. This site shows a few prophecies that Jesus fulfilled. http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/messianicprophecies.html . The bible prophesized clearly the date, place, and time of when the messiah would come to earth, and indeed, Jesus was born on that particular day, time and place,

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And here, I thought you were talking about modern day fulfillments of Biblical prophecy. This'll be easier than I thought.

Think of it this way. The Bible says some stuff that sounds like or is interpreted like "Messiah will be born x." and the Bible says stuff that is interpreted as "Jesus was born x." and that's supposed to be evidence that Christianity is true? You don't see a problem there?

Just for kicks, "Self-fulfilling prophecy."

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What problem is there to see? The old testament was written hundreds or prob even thousands of years before jesus was born. It prophesized that Jesus will be born in Bethlehem in exactly how many years.

Food for thought:
An even more striking prophecy is given in Daniel 9:24-27. There Daniel was told explicitly that Messiah would come 69 "sabbaths" (that is, 69 sabbatical years - a total of 483 years) after the decree was given to rebuild Jerusalem, which at that time lay in ruins after Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon, had destroyed it.

Jesus came to earth, born to a virgin women, in the exact number of years and days from the date of such prophecies. This is only one of many prophecies fulfilled. Jesus was also prophesized to be crucified as well. In the Quran, I believe that there is a prophecy. Something about making the trip to Mecca. And indeed, such prophecy was fulfilled when Mohammed made the trip to Mecca. But in reality, its only a self fulfilling prophecy.

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What problem is there to see? The old testament was written hundreds or prob even thousands of years before jesus was born. It prophesized that Jesus will be born in Bethlehem in exactly how many years.

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The source you have for information on Jesus' birth is the same source from whence you draw the prophecies you claim Jesus to fulfill. The Old Testament may predate the new, but it doesn't strike you as screamingly obvious that New Testament writings could've been modeled or filtered so as to appear to fulfill Old Testament prophecy?

Book A seems to say X. Book B is written when Book A's claims are known. Book B is written, and seems to say y. Books A and B are presented as one book, and somehow their saying x and y is supposed to be evidence for the divine origin of Books A and B?

Childish.  

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Quote: from Trust412 at 2:57 pm on July 23, 2008

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What problem is there to see? The old testament was written hundreds or prob even thousands of years before jesus was born. It prophesized that Jesus will be born in Bethlehem in exactly how many years.

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The source you have for information on Jesus' birth is the same source from whence you draw the prophecies you claim Jesus to fulfill. The Old Testament may predate the new, but it doesn't strike you as screamingly obvious that New Testament writings could've been modeled or filtered so as to appear to fulfill Old Testament prophecy?

Book A seems to say X. Book B is written when Book A's claims are known. Book B is written, and seems to say y. Books A and B are presented as one book, and somehow their saying x and y is supposed to be evidence for the divine origin of Books A and B?

Childish.

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A bit confusing what you wrote but I take it as your saying that possible the New testament stating that Jesus was born on that date could have modeled just to fit and fulfill the prophecy of the old testament. Well i wouldnt say that is true because the where abouts of when Jesus was born and where he was born is a fact and is not based on the bible itself. Its fact...scientist proves the date and place. It can't be debated when Jesus was born and where he was born because its a fact of when and where he was born. Therefore, "Book B" can not possibly be modeled to fit "Book A". In essence, "Book A" ,the old testament prophecised when Jesus is born, where, in exact dates, days, and place, and " Book B", the old testament, does not unfold itself just to fit the prophecies of Book A. Its just a fact.    

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What problem is there to see? The old testament was written hundreds or prob even thousands of years before jesus was born. It prophesized that Jesus will be born in Bethlehem in exactly how many years.

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 The source you have for information on Jesus' birth is the same source from whence you draw the prophecies you claim Jesus to fulfill. The Old Testament may predate the new, but it doesn't strike you as screamingly obvious that New Testament writings could've been modeled or filtered so as to appear to fulfill Old Testament prophecy?  

 Book A seems to say X. Book B is written when Book A's claims are known. Book B is written, and seems to say y. Books A and B are presented as one book, and somehow their saying x and y is supposed to be evidence for the divine origin of Books A and B?  

 Childish.  

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A bit confusing what you wrote but I take it as your saying that possible the New testament stating that Jesus was born on that date could have modeled just to fit and fulfill the prophecy of the old testament. Well i wouldnt say that is true because the where abouts of when Jesus was born and where he was born is a fact and is not based on the bible itself. Its fact...scientist proves the date and place. It can't be debated when Jesus was born and where he was born because its a fact of when and where he was born. Therefore, "Book B" can not possibly be modeled to fit "Book A". In essence, "Book A" ,the old testament prophecised when Jesus is born, where, in exact dates, days, and place, and " Book B", the old testament, does not unfold itself just to fit the prophecies of Book A. Its just a fact.

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That is not the only prophecy as well as there are plenty more, which the new testament did not suite itself to fulfilled the old testament prophecies. For example, it also prophecies that Jesus will be crucified, and certain towns will fall. Indeed, such prophecy was fullfilled because Jesus was crucified and certain cities did fall. Prophecies were fulfilled.