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the military and homosexuals
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Replies: 27Last Post July 24 11:23pm by Ergos
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Quote: from Keltic Fighter at 10:53 am on July 23, 2008

You all don't understand the military life. They will seriously get harassed by everyone in the military. They will never be accepted as infantrymen.

Lets face it, since I have the balls to say it. Military men and women aren't the most educated people on earth. Thats probably why they're in the military in the first place. I can't think of one reason why anyone would join the US armed forces at this time, unless they have this dumbass unrealistic vision of American patriotism, or the legitimate reason of getting their education paid for.

Generally speaking, people with less education and lower economic status tend to have a more homophobic view. Also, many people in the military grew up with more conservative backgrounds, and they're probably again in the lower middle class in this country.

Also, most people in the military have religious faith. Thats probably most true in times of war, because odds are they could be killed in battle. Because most religions preach against homosexuality, they tend to follow what that religion says.

My friends in the armed forces and matches much of what I just said. He knows I'm gay, and doesn't agree with it. It tends to be a subject we avoid talking about when we're together, a thing we've agreed to disagree on. Most people in the military make racist, homophobic jokes with crude humor a lot of the time. There is no logical reasoning behind it, other than their own lack of education.


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Lets face it, since I have the balls to say it. Military men and women aren't the most educated people on earth. Thats probably why they're in the military in the first place. I can't think of one reason why anyone would join the US armed forces at this time, unless they have this dumbass unrealistic vision of American patriotism, or the legitimate reason of getting their education paid for.

LOL. So obviously no one would go into the military just to serve their country? Or because they want military training and they simply like the military? Or because they are patriotic? Or maybe they're not sure what to do with their lives and want to join the military for a few years and then decide? There are many reasons to join the military, from physical training to mental toughness, medical benefits, to being part of something important, to education, patriotism, and all the other stuff I said above plus more.

Not everyone in the military is dumb, this is a ridiculous and old stereotype. Some uneducated people go in there, yes,but it takes at least a fairly intelligent person to make it to high ranks. And that applies to both enlisted ranks and officer ranks. Speaking of which, the vast majority of officers have gone through 4 years of college in addition to their rigorous military training.


Also, most people in the military have religious faith.

Lmao. That's because the vast majority of people on earth have a religious faith. But I guess you overlooked that.


Generally speaking, people with less education and lower economic status tend to have a more homophobic view. Also, many people in the military grew up with more conservative backgrounds, and they're probably again in the lower middle class in this country.

Again, the majority of straight people in general are fairly homophobic, even if they don't admit it. I know plenty of rich people who are homophobic or think being gay is weird. And they make gay jokes all the time. This applies to the majority of straight people, not just those in the military.

You don't have to bash those that are in the military just because you're too cowardly to join.

Some people don't mind going to war and getting shot at, they join the military anyway. You should learn to appreciate this.

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Quote: from Keltic Fighter at 9:43 am on July 23, 2008

lol, I was in the military too, .
you already out? you just joined a few months ago.

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Quote: from Keltic Fighter at 9:43 am on July 23, 2008


lol, I was in the military too, and I was an 11B aka Infantry. Gays will never be accepted in the infantry, end of story.

It's already been said twice, but nobody but you is mentioning the infantry!

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Quote: from SLynch89 at 10:12 am on July 23, 2008

I would be extremely uncomfortable if some gay guy in my unit started to hit on me. I wouldn't be able to work with him.

Does every women you work with in the military hit on you? Trust me, All of the soldiers who use this as an excuse are stupid. I think that 90% of the gays would be professional and not hit on any other guys, and those that did could just be reprimanded for it. Problem solved there.

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Most people in the military aren't stupid.  Not having enough money for an education doesn't make you stupid, it makes you poor.

Saying you don't want gay guys to hit on you is stupid.  Way to believe all gays are sex obsessed.


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I think, as others have said, that it would make the other men in the military uncomfortable and it is to protect those that are homosexual. Why do they have to go and tell people? The policy is called, "Don't ask, don't tell."

They can keep their sexuality to themselves if they would like to join the armed forces.

Sure, this system is not just and equal, but that is not how life is. We have to face the facts that life is not fair and equal--that's just how it is. Until homosexuals are accepted by a majority of people, and that lifestyle is also accepted, then it is unlikely that this will change.

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It's not possible for all accepts of life to be just, but it's entirely reasonable to want law to be just.  That's kind of it's purpose.  The only debate over law comes in when defining justice.

They don't have to tell anyone that they are gay.  I'm pretty sure that if this policy was overturned, most of them still wouldn't for fear of harassment.  

Nobody should be legally forced to suppress their sexual identity.

I feel like some people in this thread think homosexuals are some sort of sex freaks and that homosexuality dominates their life, and that they couldn't go any periods of time without doing something (like hitting on another male solider) that defines them as homosexuals.


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There is a difference between military law and general laws. In my view, the policy is for their own safety. The prejudice is there, and it has to be dealt with reasonably.

Of course homosexuals are no more interested in sex than heterosexual people are. Sure, some are obsessed with it, but so some heterosexuals.



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Suppressing sexuality is suppressing sexuality, under any law it is still an attack on personal freedom.  The prejudice is definitely there, and banning open homosexuality isn't dealing with it reasonably.  Dealing with it reasonably would be hate crime legislation (although I'm partially against this too).  Any homosexual in the military should have the right to speak of their sexuality, but they probably know it's wise not to.  The answer isn't to not allow them to say it.

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Of course suppressing their sexuality is not equal or just. Hate crime legislation is a horrible, mosterous thing and all of it should be repealed. Having those sort of laws only promotes racism and prejudice because the government is official recognizing that a crime against any different race, gender, belief set, etc., is met with more extensive punishments than others if the crime was against someone similar to the criminal.

I just do not see the reason why homosexuals need to tell other people in the military that they are as such. Like I have said before, the policy is there for their own protection and for other members of the military. Allowing every homosexual to announce that fact to everyone in the military, and then prosecuting every person that harasses them would be ridiculous, very costly, and very time consuming.

Until the prejudice can be cured so to speak, this is an appropriate way of dealing with this issue.

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Although I still disagree, I don't think much more has to be said on any side of this argument, so I might as well just let it die.

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Good idea! I'm not sure that there are any real, othodox reason why this policy is in place, and battling over the ideas that we've presented is not really plausible. So, I agree to disagree. :)

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