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Quote: from Fortis Obscurum at 9:27 pm on July 21, 2008

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Quote: from iinsurgent at 9:24 pm on July 21, 2008

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Quote: from Fortis Obscurum at 9:19 pm on July 21, 2008

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go to " http://www.godisimaginary.com "    

   And read.

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Don't be stupid, Christianity=/=all religions.

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Don't worry.  If you actually read you would know it includes more than just Christianity.

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I've read through it all before, majority/almost all of it is focused on Christianity.

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Quote: from peace love sunshine at 9:27 pm on July 21, 2008

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Quote: from Fortis Obscurum at 9:19 pm on July 21, 2008

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Quote: from peace love sunshine at 9:17 pm on July 21, 2008

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Quote: from Fortis Obscurum at 9:13 pm on July 21, 2008

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Quote: from Alabamarama at 9:09 pm on July 21, 2008

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Quote: from neotreo at 11:07 pm on July 21, 2008

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it's not wrong... but it's wrong to teach them lies as truth.

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   Oh quit. There is no way to know who's right, so just stop.

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Actually, science disproves most of religion.  That, and common sense.

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  Please, show me this proof of disproof.

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go to " http://www.godisimaginary.com "

  And read.

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 God is Imaginary?  
 How old is the person that created this website?  
 I read one "proof" and decided it's not worth my time.  
 I believe what I believe, you believe what you believe, and there's no changing that. We could go in circles all day.

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Not wanting to get in the middle of this...but how can you expect to be taken seriously if you won't bother yourself to know what the opposition is saying? I mean, how can you defend yourself and your beliefs, if you don't know what you're defending against?

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Not sure if you were talking to me, though I'm pretty sure you were.
I see what you're saying, however, I rarely get into religious debates, and when i do, if they're going nowhere I try to end them.

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Not sure if you were talking to me, though I'm pretty sure you were.
I see what you're saying, however, I rarely get into religious debates, and when i do, if they're going nowhere I try to end them.

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It's just that most of the time, that kind of approach really disinclines others to consider your point of view seriously.

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go to " http://www.godisimaginary.com "

And read.

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Quote: from Fortis Obscurum at 11:19 pm on July 21, 2008

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go to " http://www.godisimaginary.com "  

 And read.

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What part of that is scientific proof that religion is false? Any religion.

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Post edited at 10:33 pm on July 21, 2008 by 2ndbreakfast79

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What he is saying is that it's ok to abuse children.

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Well, it's definitely wrong to abuse children and abuse is not limited to sexual abuse.  I suspect in 95% of the cases he's right about religions affect on children as well.

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Second, if you're unable to provide impartial and thorough double-blinded trials where merely raising religious children is applicable to sexual trauma within households, then you'd have a partial leg to stand on.

Third, simply using an arbitrary number does absolutely nothing to promote any form of authority for what you've actually stated.  In fact, it merely makes your original point mute if it simply is biased hearsay.

Finally, as Tangora mentioned earlier in this thread, since when is religious tolerance applicable with denouncing religious rights and privileges, or synonymous with common emotional-physical-sexual abuse within households?  Sounds a bit counterproductive to not only say that you disagree with what a common belief is and then turn around to say that it isn't appropriate to tell children lies as though they're at any authority to mention otherwise besides mere preference.  And contrary to popular belief, preference does not fully dictate reality, nor are you the set standard for relevance simply because you believe that you are beforehand.

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I do not believe that it is wrong as long as they are not punished if they choose not to believe at some point.

Seems kind of unreasonable to expect freedom of religion for oneself if one is not prepared to allow freedom of religion to others, regardless of if they are ones children or not.

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For others I agree with this sentiment.

As far as myself, even when I was religious, I prefer to not raise my daughter under religious influence, but rather let her decide for herself.  When I was a Christian I noticed many insincere Christians because of their parents influencing their religious preference and it led them to be more unaware of why they held their own position.  Likewise, as an atheist now, I wouldn't want my daughter to say, "Well I'm an atheist because my dad is."

There are certain things in life - and religion when you weigh in what it claims is one of these - that are not minor decisions.  Becoming a Muslim, Christians, or any religion can be a major decision, whereas other decisions like culture can be minor ones.  Although I would encourage her to learn about as many religions as she is able to, I'd hope that my daughter would make her own decision based on what she desires.  But that has been a personal preference of mine throughout my religious years and now my atheistic years as well.

tk

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