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Replies: 9 Last Post Aug. 23, 2008 9:38pm by Majo
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( Majo )
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When I was little, my favorite subject was Math. I liked it because it took such a small amount of work compared to Reading and English. As I got older, though, I found that I liked English more and was better at it. Had been the entire time. All of my test scores indicated that I was average at Math and Above Average in English. For a while, I tossed around ideas such as majoring in English, becoming a Journalist, becoming a Photojournalist, etc. But then I worked my way back around to something similar to what I had been considering upon entering college...Web Design. I decided I'd rather do Web Development instead and transferred to a tech school. I start at the end of the month. But my boyfriend kind of makes me feel bad. Not on purpose, really, but still... I told him that I'm not all that great at Math but that I can do it if I'm determined. He still seems to question it, though... Once, he started talking about how Math is hard and I need to work hard at it and it's key for this career track or whatever and his Mom, who doesn't seem to like me all that much, told him, "Alan, leave her alone!" I think that's the only time she's ever helped me and could very well be the last. Then, once, I asked him to add a few things up for me while I was on the phone with him because, truth be told, I'm sort of obsessive, especially with numbers. I was looking at the stuff I had in my cart, trying to remember how much each item cost, how much money I had with me, etc. and every time I added it all up in my head, I found myself doubting my figures. I do that all the time, even after I've used a calculator. Like at work...I had to count up all of the parts I'd inspected and I knew there were 70 parts in each tray. I had eleven trays. That's 770 parts. I still felt anxious, though, and had to check it twice with a calculator. I feel anxious now because I haven't checked that figure yet (and am going to force myself not to). He joked, though, that "if you're going to take Discrete Math and then Calculus, you should already be able to do all this in your head." and it made me feel awful. I can do it all in my head but I just can't...I don't know, I don't know why I'm so anxious, why I have to double check my figures, check my drawers five or six times before leaving school for vacation to make sure I have everything, or why I didn't trust that I'd turned the furnace off before leaving my Gram's even though I know I had...and why I still fear that I didn't which is just plain stupid, especially since this happened weeks ago. I sort of feel like I'm a "poser"... He's so smart...he's always been into computers and such... His sister is smart, too, and has been going to this school since she started, she hasn't transferred even once so it seems like she fits, as well. And then there's her roommate who my boyfriend seems to think is incredibly intelligent. He even said, "All I know was it was hard for my sister's roommate and she helped me with calculus". I feel out of place...like a loser, like I'm beneath everyone else there...I don't want to go, I don't know if I believe that I can do it anymore. I'm not really asking for advice, I guess. Just sort of getting it all out...I'm so stressed out right now, I could just cry. 
------- "Under the hardness of her facade a woman's heart is still beating."
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12:42 pm on Aug. 18, 2008 | Joined: May 2005 | Days Active: 298 Join to learn more about Majo Pennsylvania, United States | Straight Female | Posts: 6,733 | Points: 11,716
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Cambria
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Don't worry so much, your letting yourself be put down. Your new school will teach you as much math as you need, and if your boyfriend wasn't being so condescending, you wouldn't be so doubtful. You need confidence.
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Just Waiting Here
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I can understand the stress of it all, especially when the people around you keep making it sound like you can't do it, and it sounds like they don't have any support. Your boyfriend doesn't mean to put you down, but really, he wants you to be realistic. He wants to make sure that you don't get hurt during all of this... BUT. He doesn't consider your will. And that's something that people rule out. Just because something is hard doesn't mean it's impossible. That doesn't mean that you won't dedicate time to learning it, and that DOESN'T mean that you CAN'T learn it no matter how hard you try. When something is hard, it DOES mean that you have to put forth the effort and realize that it WON'T be easy. If you dont' understand, you can't rule yourself out as stupid, and suddenly start second guessing yourself. It just means that things are getting more advanced, and you have to work you way up through the BASICS until you're confident with something more complicated. In terms of your numbers? Let me say this... people say that I am VERY good in math. And you know what... it is my BEST subject. But I second guess JUST like you do. I can't even tell you how many times I've made stupid mistakes on tests JUST because I mess up some basic addition or multiplication. It's caused me to be more careful. But you know... math is SO far beyond basic addition. I understand CONCEPTS, and just because I may need a paper or a pencil, or just some reassurance does not mean that I don't know HOW to do it, or that I can't do it. And let me put it this way... if I needed a doctor. I would prefer the one that double checked EVERYTHING than the doctor that never checked over his work. THAT'S when mistakes happen, and by then, you can NOT take them back. A simple math problem? Maybe... but if you go over one dollar on your bank account, that's a charge. A simple head count at work? You miss something, and it's coming back to you. --- Now, of course, it may affect your life, but I see nothing wrong with being careful. If you feel that these things are obsessions and their controlling your life, then maybe it's something like OCD (I don't know much about this, but I'm just giving a general thought). Then that's something you may want to deal with separately. --- I tell you this... people that love and care about you may sometimes lack supportiveness or may show doubts in you abilities. They're WORRIED. Can you blame them? They see you excel in English, and now you've suddenly changed paths... they don't know YOU, and they can't DECIDE for you at what point you reach your limit. In terms of being smart? Smart comes in varying forms, and just because you have academic smarts or can do well in math, doesn't make you smart. Math is much more than just memorizing equations, but understanding them and applying them. Ultimately, maybe... it is hard. Maybe someone else can understand the concept in an instant and solve problems, while you need more time. But if YOU are willing to put forth that effort, and YOU are willing to try your best, and if YOU know that you can do it... then don't let it hold you back. Do what you need to do to make YOURSELF happy, and remember... no one can determine YOUR potential.. that's up to you to decide. --- And sorry for the random rant... O__O. Lol, I would take no offense if you didn't read any of it.
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CaliKevin
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To me, it sounds like the problem here isn't so much your math abilities. Rather it's your own self-confidence along with your boyfriend's lack of support that are what is bringing you down. From reading this, it definitely sounds like you are pretty smart when it comes to crunching numbers and figuring things out. Even though you might be better at English now that you used to be, I would say you still have a natural ability to work with numbers. However, you're letting other people's judgements get the best of you. I think your boyfriend really is just joking about everything, but it might be going a little too far. If you are starting to believe him when he tells you that you aren't good enough or smart enough, then maybe it's time to put an end to this. Tell him how his "jokes" make you feel. I doubt he is doing it to intentionally hurt you. He most likely doesn't understand that what he is saying is really making you second guess yourself. You need to communicate this with him. Secondly, I think you also need to really step back and give yourself some credit. It sounds like deep down you know what you're good at. So acknowledge that. Knowing your own strengths and assetts is one of the best ways to prevent letting other people bring you down. You definitely aren't a loser. You are just letting someone else tell you who you are, and that's not right. Stand up for yourself and stay confident. The way I see it, the only problem you are going to face in math is overcoming your own doubts.
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( Majo )
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Quote: from Just Waiting Here at 3:56 pm on Aug. 18, 2008
Now, of course, it may affect your life, but I see nothing wrong with being careful. If you feel that these things are obsessions and their controlling your life, then maybe it's something like OCD (I don't know much about this, but I'm just giving a general thought). Then that's something you may want to deal with separately.
Yeah, that thought has crossed my mind quite a few times before. Can someone develop OCD or is it something you're born with? Because I wasn't always like this. I didn't realize just how bad I'd gotten until I got a job working at my Mom's place of employment and found that I couldn't do any of the basic math required without checking my work at least twice. Like, once, I used a calculator to multiply 2 and 70. That's such a basic problem...and yet I felt I couldn't be trusted to do it in my head and even checked my work. I've been dealing with anxiety for a while now, too. It almost feels like it's sort of spreading... But, no, I read everything everyone said here, you don't have to apologize. I was very pleasantly surprised when I came back to check my thread and found that I'd gotten such great replies, thank you to everyone who took the time to not only read what I wrote but to respond so intelligently and kindly as well. 
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Just Waiting Here
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Quote: from Majo at 1:24 pm on Aug. 18, 2008
Quote: from Just Waiting Here at 3:56 pm on Aug. 18, 2008
Now, of course, it may affect your life, but I see nothing wrong with being careful. If you feel that these things are obsessions and their controlling your life, then maybe it's something like OCD (I don't know much about this, but I'm just giving a general thought). Then that's something you may want to deal with separately.
Yeah, that thought has crossed my mind quite a few times before. Can someone develop OCD or is it something you're born with? Because I wasn't always like this. I didn't realize just how bad I'd gotten until I got a job working at my Mom's place of employment and found that I couldn't do any of the basic math required without checking my work at least twice. Like, once, I used a calculator to multiply 2 and 70. That's such a basic problem...and yet I felt I couldn't be trusted to do it in my head and even checked my work. I've been dealing with anxiety for a while now, too. It almost feels like it's sort of spreading... But, no, I read everything everyone said here, you don't have to apologize. I was very pleasantly surprised when I came back to check my thread and found that I'd gotten such great replies, thank you to everyone who took the time to not only read what I wrote but to respond so intelligently and kindly as well.  
Like I said, I'm similar. But I think the anxiety aspect is probably largely apart of it. Do you really strongly fear doing things wrong? Afraid to be considered stupid, or judged because of a mistake? And are these thoughts constantly on your mind? I've very similar to that, and it's really caused me some problems... it's fear more than anything else really. I went to a doctor recently and she said that my back, twitches, and stomach issues may ALL be stress/anxiety related. It's amazing how much of a toll those things can take, no? It's something you could consider, maybe even just talking to someone might relax you a bit... I'm sure you can always talk to your boyfriend, but you may be a bit more comfortable with someone that can give you the professional ok that there's nothing wrong, or that you can take an anxiety pill or something. And haha, just so you know, I do the stupidest things on the calculators. 11+12 = 23. And then I'll be like, wait... maybe I put a number in wrong, let me just make sure once more. I'm like that too, I've made too many careless mistakes in math (like 3+4 = 5), that I just make sure to be a bit more careful. Lmao, and in that case, I could NOT figure out why 7 was the right answer! Lol, many people question my math abilities after that -__-'. And it's normal, to be nervous. Esepecially when it's coming down to your future. It's not just middle school where you can do badly on a test and make it up later... it can affect your future, and simply put, that's SCARY. But one thing I'm trying to tell myself (and what CaliKevin emphasized), is that YOU need to know YOUR limits, and DON'T ever underestimate yourself, because chances are, you're probably capable of alot more than you realize.
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( Majo )
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Yeah, I'm always afraid to some extent. And, this may be stupid but...I feel like an outcast, like a poser... My boyfriend, while alone most of the time, still fit in to some extent. He had his sister there and his sister's roommate wasn't too terrible to him, either. They all called him "Newbie" and they were all into sort of the same things. He's wanted to be a Programmer for only God knows how long and his sister's roommate is going for the same thing thus her being able to help him (she's older). And his sister, while going for Commercial Photography, still seems to have her own place there. She's relatively okay with Math and has friends and seems rather smart herself. It feels like they're all in some sort of little clique, like they're "real"...whereas I feel "fake" because I didn't know what I wanted to do my first year, didn't know where I wanted to go, and sort of just followed my boyfriend. Now, following him did take me to where I'd always wanted to be...NY, a big school with a good reputation, etc. so it's not like I followed him blindly, that's where I always wanted to go, his being there just made me feel safe enough to go. But I'm afraid that they'll think I only went to be with him, don't actually want to be a Web Developer all that badly, am a flake, am unintelligent, etc. It doesn't help that this school...isn't necessarily the friendliest... The Computer Engineering students make fun of the Computer Science students and the Computer Science students make fun of the Information Technology students and everyone makes fun of the Art students. I'm an IT major...so I'm essentially at the bottom of the ladder, only the Art students are considered less intelligent. And while that's just asinine beyond words, it's still intimidating because my boyfriend seemed to think/feel the same way until I taught him a little more about the school's IT program because, really, it's rather amazing. When you generally think of IT, you think "customer service" but this school's IT program is much broader. And I'll be doing some of the same things my boyfriend was/is doing so... IT students also get just as many job offerings as CS students do and can earn just as much, depending upon what they decide to do and where they decide to work. Knowing all that doesn't help, though, because I know that for at least the next three or four more years, there's a good chance that people will doubt me and what I'm doing and label it as inferior. I'll have to work hard to not only master the course material but I'll also have to work my ass off to prove that I'm not a joke. But what if I fail? What if I'm not capable of doing this? What if I have to transfer out? But it's funny that you do the same thing I do. I'll multiply, say, 70 and 7 on a calculator and get 490 and then think, "Maybe I put a number in incorrectly, though..." and do it two or three more times when I could have done it in my head to begin with. It takes up time and gives me headaches sometimes.
------- "Under the hardness of her facade a woman's heart is still beating."
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