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Quote: from wolverineh8ter at 1:09 pm on Aug. 21, 2008

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Quote: from jamesish at 1:06 pm on Aug. 21, 2008

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Quote: from wolverineh8ter at 1:03 pm on Aug. 21, 2008

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Quote: from jamesish at 1:00 pm on Aug. 21, 2008

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Quote: from wolverineh8ter at 12:59 pm on Aug. 21, 2008

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I am still awaiting your rebuttal to pen and teller's video.  After watching that, how can you say that PETA makes a positive impact on society?

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   are you saying they make a total negative impact?

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  Have you watched the video?  Do you know what a PETA world would be like?  If they got their way for everything?  They are a radical organization who are linked to terrorist attacks.  They are dishonest about the money they have, and only about 1-2% of their funding goes to animal outreach work.

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  I would imagine those 2 million people have heard these things. Or are they telling a tale about that? Just curious.

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 What 2 million people?  What tale?  You make no fucking sense when you debate.  Try providing data and stuff like everyone else is doing.

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http://www.golivewire.com/forums/peer-yapbboa-support-a.html#1

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I get the picture. PETA is the worst ever. OK. They have no reason to be called an organization.

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There are plenty of organizations out there that aren't radical, that target neglect, etc.  Without pouring blood on people with fur coats.  I asked Raven on AIM, because she is knowledgeable even though you say she should get educated.

wolverineh8ter13 (1:17:34 PM): what are the non radical
wolverineh8ter13 (1:17:39 PM): animal rights groups
"Raven" (1:18:16 PM): that's an oxymoron.
wolverineh8ter13 (1:18:34 PM): Well animal fan groups
wolverineh8ter13 (1:18:41 PM): that target non radical stuff
wolverineh8ter13 (1:18:50 PM): such as neglect and abuse and stuff
"Raven" (1:18:55 PM): IFAW is the best animal welfare organization there is.
"Raven" (1:19:14 PM): Dogs Deserve Better is another, but they are a focus group.
"Raven" (1:20:16 PM): AWI is one of the bigger ones. they've been around since the 50s
"Raven" (1:20:33 PM): and of course, WWF

Post edited at 10:29 am on Aug. 21, 2008 by wOlF

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I don't know, I think I am 70/40 on this issue.  I always give it my 110%.

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O and animals have no rights. OK.

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You really are an idiot.

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From a distance you look like my friend,

even though we are at war.

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Quote: from jamesish at 6:16 pm on Aug. 21, 2008

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O and animals have no rights.  OK.

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You really are an idiot.

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Thanks for that input.

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no need to call people idiots, he is right in saying that animals deserve rights, just not that animals deserve any more than they already have. I love animals but that is my standpoint.

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No no, he's implying we think they don't have RIGHTS.

We say they deserve welfare. We don't want them ill treated and such.

He just takes points he can deal with, and totally even fucks that up.

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From a distance you look like my friend,

even though we are at war.

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and I am trying to make it a happy ending.  go research those organizations.

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actually instead of a happy ending it sounds like your trying to rub it in his face a little bit to ensure it really soaks in.

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Anus