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Quote: from UnusualOne at 12:28 pm on Aug. 21, 2008

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NOT ANIMAL RIGHTS.  

 ANIMAL WELFARE.  

 That's my opinion, extremist animal rights people are nuts.  

 Welfare however, is a different matter.

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I didn't mention that in my topic.  But, I've wondered about that.  Isn't welfare of an animal a right?  If you say no, then the welfare of a human is no different.  Governments shouldn't care.

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uhhh....peta is a big NO

 
http://www.petakillsanimals.com/

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i was just gonna post that...

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NOT ANIMAL RIGHTS.

ANIMAL WELFARE.

That's my opinion, extremist animal rights people are nuts.

Welfare however, is a different matter.

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True story. I agree 200%.
I've been rescuing animals my entire life, and I have never supported the extremist views of animal rights. Their movements get nothing done, and it is nothing but fear mongering (and that's not just PeTA, ALF and other AR orgs do more than their fair share of bullshit).

IFAW is much better than the organizations you listed, honestly. Even the ASPCA has serious flaws in how they operate. As does the HSU.

And it should be noted that ASPCA is New York based, not necessarily the overlord of every SPCA out there.

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NOT ANIMAL RIGHTS.

ANIMAL WELFARE.

That's my opinion, extremist animal rights people are nuts.

Welfare however, is a different matter.

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i agree with this

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so theres this Guy...
hes pretty damn amazing

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I didn't mention that in my topic. But, I've wondered about that. Isn't welfare of an animal a right? If you say no, then the welfare of a human is no different. Governments shouldn't care.

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No, they're both different things.

Welfare is to look after the animal responsibly.

Rights is to treat the animal as if it were human. And while I believe animals are not lower than humans, they are also different. You can't treat animals as though they are humans.

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From a distance you look like my friend,

even though we are at war.

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True story. I agree 200%.
I've been rescuing animals my entire life, and I have never supported the extremist views of animal rights. Their movements get nothing done, and it is nothing but fear mongering (and that's not just PeTA, ALF and other AR orgs do more than their fair share of bullshit).

IFAW is much better than the organizations you listed, honestly. Even the ASPCA has serious flaws in how they operate. As does the HSU.

And it should be noted that ASPCA is New York based, not necessarily the overlord of every SPCA out there.

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I was wondering where you were

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From a distance you look like my friend,

even though we are at war.

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Quote: from jamesish at 9:30 am on Aug. 21, 2008

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Quote: from UnusualOne at 12:28 pm on Aug. 21, 2008

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NOT ANIMAL RIGHTS.

  ANIMAL WELFARE.

  That's my opinion, extremist animal rights people are nuts.

  Welfare however, is a different matter.

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 I didn't mention that in my topic. But, I've wondered about that. Isn't welfare of an animal a right? If you say no, then the welfare of a human is no different. Governments shouldn't care.

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Animals will never be as important as humans. Just based on the fact that you and I are having this conversation right now, you can tell that humans are much smarter than any animals. If animals deserved rights that were as developed as human rights, they would have to be smart enough to do something about it.

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So because animals can't talk, they're not smart.  That white dog on TV can't ride a skateboard?  That seems pretty smart to me.  We're animals ourselves in a sense.

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I don't support PETA. As for the ASPCA, well, I'm not a fan of the way they take care of their animals and their kill policy. I have donated to numerous non-kill shelters. I have also fed, spayed, and neutered multiple colonies of homeless cats before.

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qi you is my heroooo    

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so theres this Guy...
hes pretty damn amazing

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So because animals can't talk, they're not smart.  That white dog on TV can't ride a skateboard?  That seems pretty smart to me.  We're animals ourselves in a sense.

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Correction, we are animals.

Post edited at 9:41 am on Aug. 21, 2008 by Spice

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From a distance you look like my friend,

even though we are at war.

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Quote: from jamesish at 5:30 pm on Aug. 21, 2008

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I didn't mention that in my topic.  But, I've wondered about that.  Isn't welfare of an animal a right?  If you say no, then the welfare of a human is no different.  Governments shouldn't care.

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No, they're both different things.

Welfare is to look after the animal responsibly.

Rights is to treat the animal as if it were human. And while I believe animals are not lower than humans, they are also different. You can't treat animals as though they are humans.

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Should also be noted that animal rights activists do not believe in working dogs. Horseback riding and bee-keeping are also out of the question. And many of those organizations have been fighting a brick wall trying to get these things outlawed.

I guess it's okay to support keeping a dog from following the instincts we've bred into them over centuries, even millenniums.

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Quote: from bracexface lovesxdan at 9:30 am on Aug. 21, 2008

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uhhh....peta is a big NO  

 
 http://www.petakillsanimals.com/

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i was just gonna post that...

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sorry to kill your buzz

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hes pretty damn amazing

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and other misc. exuses click

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