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Public Apology From Prince o palities
Regarding the nudity controversy
Replies: 135Last Post Aug. 30, 2008 9:31pm by iconoclast
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You've seriously damaged something that the other 30 of us have worked tirelessly for years to build up. I know that I haven't been trying my damnedest for nearly three years to put the trust, respect and decency into moderating just for my efforts to be mindlessly tossed aside in a few hours.

That said, I appreciate your apology, which for the most part does sound sincere.

Just give me a few months to cool down.

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that's one of the largest logical jumps i've seen in a while

livewire is required by law to not have pornography on it because there are minors who use it

the line of what is and isn't pornography has been redrawn

you can take your nanny state paranoia and shove it


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Quote: from katyduck at 2:46 pm on Aug. 21, 2008

You've seriously damaged something that the other 30 of us have worked tirelessly for years to build up. I know that I haven't been trying my damnedest for nearly three years to put the trust, respect and decency into moderating just for my efforts to be mindlessly tossed aside in a few hours.

That said, I appreciate your apology, which for the most part does sound sincere.  

Just give me a few months to cool down.


I suppose that's got more hope for me in it then Sam's answer.

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Quote: from OLPFan200 at 2:44 pm on Aug. 21, 2008

Quote: from Praise the Lard at 3:24 pm on Aug. 21, 2008

Quote: from OLPFan200 at 12:17 pm on Aug. 21, 2008

I have no idea what's going on because I don't give a flying fuck about what happens beyond the protection of LMoY. You're all fucking idiots and I won't deal with your crap.  

  So something happened and you saw a bunch of naked pictures. Who gives a shit? You're on the internet and can only imagine the vast majority of you have (voluntarily) stumbled across porn, or have at least had the state-regulated sexual education classes and know what a penis and a vagina are and how they interact. And if you're too naive for even that, then you're probably naive enough to have fallen for trolls showing Lemon Party, Meatspin, Tubgirl, Goatse, and the whole plethora of lude content on the internet.  

  So some mods tried to make a point. Things went awry and now they're apologizing. Grow some fucking balls/tits and get over it and yourselves. You are not fucking royalty here (or anywhere really), so stop expecting the mods to bend over backwards just to kiss your ass that your mommy probably recently wiped for you. If you can't cope with it, get the fuck out. Because no one wants to hear your dribble about how you're offended and life is unfair and so on and so forth.  

  Today is my last day of work, and I was happy, up until I saw all you wankers tromping all over someone for trying to do the right thing, just because it temporarily clashed with your simplistic ideologies. But now I'm all worked up over your ignorance.  

  Cue the "calm down get a grip" replies, while I go back to ignoring you.


 

 are you seriously saying that you got upset by something that happened on a forum


No. Your inability to separate the big picture from the small picture (i.e. "forum posting" vs "sociological inadequacies") shows to me you're an idiot. But I'll clarify things anyways.

I'm angry that not only are we as a society progressing more and more into a Nanny State, but that more and more people are wanting a Nanny State. Which is exactly what's happening when we're told that we're not allowed to post nude art because it's not "safe" or "approved" content. We're all suffering because your parents/guardians can't be bothered to tell you the difference between art and pornography, and therefore nudity has become synonymous with pornography.

So yes, I'm angry because of a forum, but only because the forum has shown that you're making society worse and worse.


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Quote: from OLPFan200 at 3:44 pm on Aug. 21, 2008

No. Your inability to separate the big picture from the small picture (i.e. "forum posting" vs "sociological inadequacies") shows to me you're an idiot. But I'll clarify things anyways.

I'm angry that not only are we as a society progressing more and more into a Nanny State, but that more and more people are wanting a Nanny State. Which is exactly what's happening when we're told that we're not allowed to post nude art because it's not "safe" or "approved" content. We're all suffering because your parents/guardians can't be bothered to tell you the difference between art and pornography, and therefore nudity has become synonymous with pornography.

So yes, I'm angry because of a forum, but only because the forum has shown that you're making society worse and worse.


i don't understand can you elaborate more


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Quote: from katyduck at 2:46 pm on Aug. 21, 2008

Just give me a few months to cool down.

LMFAO.


Would it be too overly cliche for this:

"Internet: serious business"

Yes?  Oh well.  Nothing sums it up quite as well


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Quote: from OLPFan200 at 12:44 pm on Aug. 21, 2008

Quote: from Praise the Lard at 3:24 pm on Aug. 21, 2008

Quote: from OLPFan200 at 12:17 pm on Aug. 21, 2008

I have no idea what's going on because I don't give a flying fuck about what happens beyond the protection of LMoY. You're all fucking idiots and I won't deal with your crap.

  So something happened and you saw a bunch of naked pictures. Who gives a shit? You're on the internet and can only imagine the vast majority of you have (voluntarily) stumbled across porn, or have at least had the state-regulated sexual education classes and know what a penis and a vagina are and how they interact. And if you're too naive for even that, then you're probably naive enough to have fallen for trolls showing Lemon Party, Meatspin, Tubgirl, Goatse, and the whole plethora of lude content on the internet.

  So some mods tried to make a point. Things went awry and now they're apologizing. Grow some fucking balls/tits and get over it and yourselves. You are not fucking royalty here (or anywhere really), so stop expecting the mods to bend over backwards just to kiss your ass that your mommy probably recently wiped for you. If you can't cope with it, get the fuck out. Because no one wants to hear your dribble about how you're offended and life is unfair and so on and so forth.

  Today is my last day of work, and I was happy, up until I saw all you wankers tromping all over someone for trying to do the right thing, just because it temporarily clashed with your simplistic ideologies. But now I'm all worked up over your ignorance.

  Cue the "calm down get a grip" replies, while I go back to ignoring you.


 

 are you seriously saying that you got upset by something that happened on a forum


No. Your inability to separate the big picture from the small picture (i.e. "forum posting" vs "sociological inadequacies") shows to me you're an idiot. But I'll clarify things anyways.

I'm angry that not only are we as a society progressing more and more into a Nanny State, but that more and more people are wanting a Nanny State. Which is exactly what's happening when we're told that we're not allowed to post nude art because it's not "safe" or "approved" content. We're all suffering because your parents/guardians can't be bothered to tell you the difference between art and pornography, and therefore nudity has become synonymous with pornography.

So yes, I'm angry because of a forum, but only because the forum has shown that you're making society worse and worse.


I agee completely... nanny state, that's the phrase I've been looking for.

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Quote: from Praise the Lard at 3:48 pm on Aug. 21, 2008

that's one of the largest logical jumps i've seen in a while

livewire is required by law to not have pornography on it because there are minors who use it

the line of what is and isn't pornography has been redrawn

you can take your nanny state paranoia and shove it


Idiot.


-  To disallow any form of nudity in avatars  
-  To disallow any form of nudity in image baskets.  
-  To allow nudity (as a link from an external site) if it is present in a reasonable form in art in the midst of a legitimate discussion of art. (No Photographs)

"Any form of nudity" obviously includes many famous works of art. Under LW's new guidelines, these are considered pornographic, which is what you pointed out.

By labeling nude art as pornographic, and therefore "unsafe", it promotes the ideas of a Nanny State.

You can take your piss-poor arguing "skills" and shove it.

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are you people fucking kidding me

livewire is not a government
it is not a country
it is not a nation
and it is not a democracy

it is subject to us law


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Personally i don't see what the big deal is. I don't know why some people are getting so uptight about this. You have apologised that is all you can do. It's over. Done.

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why don't you go back to lmoy and shut the fuck up you condescending piece of turd

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Quote: from carbonara at 2:56 pm on Aug. 21, 2008

Personally i don't see what the big deal is. I don't know why some people are getting so uptight about this. You have apologised that is all you can do. It's over. Done.

i think this bears quoting.


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Quote: from Praise the Lard at 12:55 pm on Aug. 21, 2008

are you people fucking kidding me  

livewire is not a government  
it is not a country  
it is not a nation  
and it is not a democracy  

it is subject to us law


could you please show me the law that says that if minors use your website you can't have porn on it?

webmasters aren't expected to keep track of who uses their site, that would be impossible without a psychic, that just have to make sure everyone who shares personal information claims to be 13+, legally.

edit; Actually i'm sure there is some law that you have to claim to be eighteen to see PORN consiering youtube and the entereance of porn sites

still though, none-pornographic nudity is fine, have you seen Wikipedia bro???

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Quote: from Its Bearsy Bitch at 8:58 pm on Aug. 21, 2008

Quote: from Praise the Lard at 12:55 pm on Aug. 21, 2008

are you people fucking kidding me  

 livewire is not a government  
 it is not a country  
 it is not a nation  
 and it is not a democracy  

 it is subject to us law


could you please show me the law that says that if minors use your website you can't have porn on it?

webmasters aren't expected to keep track of who uses their site, that would be impossible without a psychic, that just have to make sure everyone who shares personal information claims to be 13+, legally.


You are not allowed to view porn until you are 18 in the UK and 21 in most states for america.

That said this art isn't porn, we change the guidelines on them because people pushed the boundaries.

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