for the intellectuals

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To me it seems like we as a society make a lot of the whole, "there is always a way to get better" line, and advocate that there is really never a way to justify an act of suicide.
People tend to throw out the whole "Permanent solution to a temporary problem" line a lot, but I feel like this is done without even considering what they even mean by that.

I think it is very possible that some people are in situations where the porblem is NOT temporary and there is no hope that it ever will be.  An alcoholic might get over a drinking problem but the urge to use again is always going to be there.  Someone who survives a rape might heal from the physical damage but the memory is never going to go away.  

Is it realistic for us to actually tell anyone that their problem is temporary??  

Because I have a hard time buying into the idea that human memory and emotion is so easily manipulated that we can expect people to get over certain things.  I just don't think it's possible.  Call me a pessimist, but that's not how the world works.

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but you don't say how ti shoudl be done[As a certified LiveWire Intellectual you are indubitably capable of composing a more verbose post!]

I don't feel this subject is the greatest in the world, So I haven't written much.

You know, Your spelling and grammar is very poor

Post edited at 7:48 pm on Aug. 24, 2008 by Trash

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When you're defeated in battle. In this instance, hari-kiri is the preferred method.

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speuku is that japanesethingy

I don't know, I just never really got why the idea of killing one's self is so strongly opposed when it is the freest choice one can make

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Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful.It's the transition
that's troublesome.   --Isaac Asimov

So, I guess I would never premeditate suicide.

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Spicy Pidgeon

How it should be done? I believe there is a thousand and one or more ways to die on this Earth. To be safe, jump from ten thousand feet and you'd be sure of death unless superman comes. Well, if theres such a  point where life is too much to bear, and its just that you're too weak - so when you're too weak - you jump. Enough said. I can't really feel for losers, because if they did live, they won't make it anywhere in life either . . Sorry - thats reality. Suck it up, or you are free to go. Thats if you can even go - I heard its kinda die hard to get a  successful suicide, so please don't dishonor yourself any more by conducting one that fails to kill.

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The key to victory is the element of surprise.
When that doesn't work, I guess I just gotta gun you down.

Suicide is THAT PERSON'S CHOICE. Yes, it's selfish, but it's not upto you to dictate to ANYONE how they should live their life. You can be against suicide yourself - fine, don't kill yourself, but don't hate people who feel that that's the only option.

I say this knowing someone who killed themselves, before people call me heartless.

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oh, she's a dreamer ♥
be the change you wish to see in the world
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currently studying in france

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I made a topic about this a while back...

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To me it seems like we as a society make a lot of the whole, "there is always a way to get better" line, and advocate that there is really never a way to justify an act of suicide.  
People tend to throw out the whole "Permanent solution to a temporary problem" line a lot, but I feel like this is done without even considering what they even mean by that.  

I think it is very possible that some people are in situations where the porblem is NOT temporary and there is no hope that it ever will be. An alcoholic might get over a drinking problem but the urge to use again is always going to be there. Someone who survives a rape might heal from the physical damage but the memory is never going to go away.  

Is it realistic for us to actually tell anyone that their problem is temporary??  

Because I have a hard time buying into the idea that human memory and emotion is so easily manipulated that we can expect people to get over certain things. I just don't think it's possible. Call me a pessimist, but that's not how the world works.

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This is very well written. When something as horrible as say the holocaust or rape have been thrust upon your life who's anyone to make you live another 30-60 years with that pain and fear day in and day out. It would be torture. As to how one should go about suicide, I guess it's as personal as the individual case.

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Enrique's (21 months) and Chase's (2 months) mommy www.myspace.com/Chaya77

Most people who refrain from suicide or are saved from suicidal attempts live to tell us that they are glad. But that doesn't mean much to me. They're not suffering anymore - cool, but who's to say whether the suffering was worth it? All you're relying on is the person's current, "happy" state of mind.  

People might be making the "wrong choice", either because they were too depressed to think clearly, or because they were mentally-challenged/ignorant/too-young/... but I still think that ultimately it's not a morally-weighted thing. It's a shame if they "make a mistake", and I fully support promoting other options. But in the end, they decide whether it's worth it, for their own lot. And everybody else can suck it up and deal with their own lot (albeit the lot is affected by the suicidal).  

Another gripe people have is that suicides often hurt other people. I think that's another shitty consequence, but I don't put a moral accountability onto the suicidal for that. They figured it was worth it, whether that be a spontaneous moment or a well-planned theory. Those who are left to deal with it, they deal with it, like they deal with life and everything in it. What could have been just sounds like a shallow concept to me.  

I'm happy to explain any point if I was being convoluted or unclear. It's too many topics mushed together :P

Post edited at 6:12 pm on Sep. 17, 2008 by tell me again