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Quote: from Forever Angel at 1:42 pm on Aug. 22, 2008

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Quote: from borg1 at 5:49 am on Aug. 22, 2008

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The bible teaches homosexuality is a sin...

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No, it doesn't.

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Could it be argued that homosexuality, being improperly directed sexual desire, would qualify as lustful (and therefore sinful)?

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So, no fucking.

Post edited at 8:08 am on Aug. 22, 2008 by Takinam

I wouldn't spend too much time worrying about it.  They are going to hell too for condemning you.

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In the minds of todays hypocriets and bigots in the Christian churches there is no chance for you to go anywhere but hell.

I wouldn't spend too much time worrying about it.  They are going to hell too for condemning you.

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Quote: from nik1 at 4:05 pm on Aug. 22, 2008

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In the minds of todays hypocriets and bigots in the Christian churches there is no chance for you to go anywhere but hell.  

 I wouldn't spend too much time worrying about it. They are going to hell too for condemning you.

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Says the hit and run atheist who never makes his argument, just slashes and dashes.

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Angel.....just because I am not a member of a cult doesn't make me an atheist.  Slash and dash?....absolutely because all you Jesus freaks say the same things over and over from your brainwashed heads.

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Quote: from Forever Angel at 3:25 pm on Aug. 22, 2008

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Quote: from nik1 at 4:05 pm on Aug. 22, 2008

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In the minds of todays hypocriets and bigots in the Christian churches there is no chance for you to go anywhere but hell.  

  I wouldn't spend too much time worrying about it.  They are going to hell too for condemning you.

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Says the hit and run atheist who never makes his argument, just slashes and dashes.

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Angel.....just because I am not a member of a cult doesn't make me an atheist.  Slash and dash?....absolutely because all you Jesus freaks say the same things over and over from your brainwashed heads.

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The bible teaches homosexuality is a sin, no different then lying, NOT NESCICARILY DAMNING.

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Isn't all [unrepentant] sin necessarily damning? We are talking about unrepentant homosexuality, I must assume.  

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Also I must correct a misconception seemingly propogated on this sight

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When correcting a misconception, it's generally poor form to introduce new ones. If you feel like waving around the claim that there's no evidence for homosexuality being genetic, don't be throwing out the (at least) equally unsupported bullshit about "disdain for other men or the male archetype" or poor relationship with the father.

Even if homosexuality is not genetic, it can still be biological and not psychological (irregular pre-natal hormone exposure as some claim), and even if psychological, it may be completely unrelated to one's relationship with one's father or feelings about the "male archetype." Even at that point, whether it's psychological or biological is completely immaterial when discussing it in a theological context, isn't it?

You understand that claiming to have friends who have changed and become heterosexual is bearing false witness if they don't actually have heterosexual desire, right?

To be heterosexual, these nameless friends of yours need to do more than abstain from homosexual behavior and date the opposite gender. If they're still not attracted to the opposite gender, they're still not heterosexuals. What evidence do you have personally that convinces you they've developed sexual attractions for the opposite gender? Think about that, but don't bother bringing it to the table. Personal testimony that is unverifi(ed/able) is nothing to build arguments on.

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no.

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Are you a Christian theologian speaking from your authoritative knowledge of doctrine, or did you just feel like throwing that out there?

What mainstream branch of Christianity teaches that unrepentant homosexuality is not damning?

Do you wanna back up that "no," or just leave it at that? It is after all perfectly reasonable to contribute to a thread on a complex issue with a one word answer. Just ask anybody.

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Quote: from LittleItaly at 11:03 am on Aug. 23, 2008

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no.

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Are you a Christian theologian speaking from your authoritative knowledge of doctrine, or did you just feel like throwing that out there?

What mainstream branch of Christianity teaches that unrepentant homosexuality is not damning?  

Do you wanna back up that "no," or just leave it at that? It is after all perfectly reasonable to contribute to a thread on a complex issue with a one word answer. Just ask anybody.

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If he's responding to the OP, he's correct. You're the one who introduced 'unrepentant' homosexuality into this thread.

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The distinction needs to be made between being gay and being an unrepentant homosexual within the scheme of Christian salvation/damnation.

The OP mentions that people claim you "go to hell for being gay." Obviously, you don't go to Hell for being anything, you go to Hell for not accepting Christ/continuing in unrepentant sin. The people claiming you're going to be damned for being gay generally actually mean you'll go to Hell for unrepentant homosexuality.

So no, though I brought the term in, unrepentant homosexuality needs mentioning in the thread. The OP hears people claiming that unrepentant homosexuals go to hell, even if that's not what they think they're saying/he thinks he's hearing.

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Quote: from Forever Angel at 3:34 pm on Aug. 23, 2008

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If he's responding to the OP, he's correct. You're the one who introduced 'unrepentant' homosexuality into this thread.

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The distinction needs to be made between being gay and being an unrepentant homosexual within the scheme of Christian salvation/damnation.

The OP mentions that people claim you "go to hell for being gay." Obviously, you don't go to Hell for being anything, you go to Hell for not accepting Christ/continuing in unrepentant sin. The people claiming you're going to be damned for being gay generally actually mean you'll go to Hell for unrepentant homosexuality.  

So no, though I brought the term in, unrepentant homosexuality needs mentioning in the thread. The OP hears people claiming that unrepentant homosexuals go to hell, even if that's not what they think they're saying/he thinks he's hearing.

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And nowhere in the Bible is being a homosexual called a sin. But inappropriate sex by anyone is considered 'wrong'. Still, it's God, not man, who will make the final judgment.

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How does one repent for something beyond their ability to change?

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Not repenting for "being gay," but repenting for any and all homosexual activity one has engaged in or continues to engage in. Isn't that the point? You can't be saved if you're not willing to try to stop indulging in sin. That's what I'm talking about.

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And nowhere in the Bible is being a homosexual called a sin. But inappropriate sex by anyone is considered 'wrong'. Still, it's God, not man, who will make the final judgment.

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I don't think most people understand the distinction between to be and to do when it comes to homosexuality. When a Christian says one is damned for being gay they (almost) always mean one is damned for committing homosexual acts and dying while unrepentant of one's homosexual behaviors. That's my point.

Op:

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i am afraid i will. i belive in God, and i pray but some people say if you are gay you go to hell, so does that mean i am already doomed to hell.

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So my answer to the OP would be "No, you're not going to Hell for being gay, but if you indulge in homosexual acts, which are sinful, and die while unrepentant of them you are damned according to mainstream orthodox Christian views."

Do you disagree with my answer there?

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Quote: from Forever Angel at 4:21 pm on Aug. 23, 2008

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How does one repent for something beyond their ability to change?

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Not repenting for "being gay," but repenting for any and all homosexual activity one has engaged in or continues to engage in. Isn't that the point? You can't be saved if you're not willing to try to stop indulging in sin. That's what I'm talking about.  

 

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And nowhere in the Bible is being a homosexual called a sin. But inappropriate sex by anyone is considered 'wrong'. Still, it's God, not man, who will make the final judgment.

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I don't think most people understand the distinction between to be and to do when it comes to homosexuality. When a Christian says one is damned for being gay they (almost) always mean one is damned for committing homosexual acts and dying while unrepentant of one's homosexual behaviors. That's my point.  

Op:

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i am afraid i will. i belive in God, and i pray but some people say if you are gay you go to hell, so does that mean i am already doomed to hell.

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So my answer to the OP would be "No, you're not going to Hell for being gay, but if you indulge in homosexual acts, which are sinful, and die while unrepentant of them you are damned according to mainstream orthodox Christian views."

Do you disagree with my answer there?

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