That said; Orthodox Christianity does teach that [unrepentant], practicing homosexuals will go to Hell when they die. If you accept orthodox Christianity, you must accept that you must not indulge in homosexual sex, or thoughts about homosexual sex ('cause afterall, thinking is next to doing and both are forbidden) or you will go to Hell when you die.

Post edited at 3:54 am on Aug. 22, 2008 by borg1

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Your response is very shallow I am affraid sophos, the bible teaches homosexuality is a sin, no different then lying.  Also I must correct a misconception seemingly propogated on this sight;
There is no scientific evidence supporting the theory that homosexuality is genetic, it is far more probable that homosexuality is a psycological issue resulting from either a disdain for other men or the male archtype (either conscious or unconscious) also possibly caused by no close relationship with father or father figure.  I have freinds who are gay, and freinds who used to be gay and have altered their sexual desires to that of a hetrosexual.

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I stated the bibles stance on homosexuality, it is a sin, in the same class as murder, adultery, and lying.  Wrong yet pardonable.

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The bible teaches homosexuality is a sin...

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Quote: from borg1 at 5:49 am on Aug. 22, 2008

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The bible teaches homosexuality is a sin...

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No, it doesn't.

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Post edited at 5:56 am on Aug. 22, 2008 by SpM

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Quote: from Forever Angel at 1:42 pm on Aug. 22, 2008

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Quote: from borg1 at 5:49 am on Aug. 22, 2008

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The bible teaches homosexuality is a sin...

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No, it doesn't.

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Could it be argued that homosexuality, being improperly directed sexual desire, would qualify as lustful (and therefore sinful)?

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Generally speaking, lust does not mean "improperly directed sexual desire."

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Quote: from SpM at 8:56 am on Aug. 22, 2008

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Quote: from Forever Angel at 1:42 pm on Aug. 22, 2008

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Quote: from borg1 at 5:49 am on Aug. 22, 2008

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The bible teaches homosexuality is a sin...

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No, it doesn't.

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 Could it be argued that homosexuality, being improperly directed sexual desire, would qualify as lustful (and therefore sinful)?

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Generally speaking, lust does not mean "improperly directed sexual desire."

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My bad. What's a more accurate definition in the Christian context?

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Lust (coveting thy neighbour's wife) is a sin. However, homosexuality is not directly a sin. Acting on it is (lying with a man as one would a woman).

FP

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Lust (coveting thy neighbour's wife) is a sin. However, homosexuality is not directly a sin. Acting on it is (lying with a man as one would a woman).

FP

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Does anyone know if "epithumia" was the word translated to "lust" in Matthew 5:28?

edit: Because that, surely, would not be specific to coveting another man's wife.

edit II: Different part of speech though, considering that's a noun...and I'll stop pretending to know what I'm talking about now.  

Post edited at 6:26 am on Aug. 22, 2008 by SpM

First are the group that define lust as any sexual desire at all. People in this camp generally believe that lust only becomes sinful when it becomes so consuming that you stop seeing the person and just see the sexuality. That argument kind of has to exist for people who define lust in that way, else a lot of married couples would be in equally as big trouble as those single folks who drool over attractive members of their gender of choice.

The second group is what I belong to, and defines lust as a desire that is objectifying, to the point where the person or thing in question ceases to have any value to the luster unless it is in his/her possession.

In either case, being a homosexual doesn't necessarily require lust, at least not of a sinful sort, though I've not studied the Greek and so can't say with complete certainty what the actual translation should be...but *shrug* I can't imagine that it would be too far off from either of those.

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The second group is what I belong to, and defines lust as a desire that is objectifying, to the point where the person or thing in question ceases to have any value to the luster unless it is in his/her possession.

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Quote: from exceedinglyrare at 2:29 pm on Aug. 22, 2008

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The second group is what I belong to, and defines lust as a desire that is objectifying, to the point where the person or thing in question ceases to have any value to the luster unless it is in his/her possession.

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Surely it would be possible to want to have sex with another man's wife (which, correct me I'm wrong, is Biblically seen as lust), without objectifying her?

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Mm, depends on how you're defining objectifying.

Of course, in that sense, that would be "envy" or "covetousness," which is something different entirely.

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