The general point is correct of course, we get very used to looking at things on one way only and it would be more helpful to at least try and understand why many people consider the 11th September bombers heroes, even if the idea is repellent.

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America backed, and supplied Al Queda and Osama when the Soviets invaded Afghanistan, he was viewed as a "freedom fighter". Now that he's tuned his attention to the USA he's a terrorist.

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no we didn't.

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Quote: from willz at 11:21 pm on Aug. 25, 2008

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America backed, and supplied Al Queda and Osama when the Soviets invaded Afghanistan, he was viewed as a "freedom fighter". Now that he's tuned his attention to the USA he's a terrorist.

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no we didn't.

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lol, oh yes you did!

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Quote: from lsd at 7:32 pm on Aug. 26, 2008

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Quote: from willz at 11:21 pm on Aug. 25, 2008

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America backed, and supplied Al Queda and Osama when the Soviets invaded Afghanistan, he was viewed as a "freedom fighter". Now that he's tuned his attention to the USA he's a terrorist.

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 no we didn't.

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lol, oh yes you did!

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provide a link

Post edited at 5:15 pm on Aug. 26, 2008 by GeneCosta

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Quote: from August Rush at 11:45 am on Aug. 26, 2008

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Quote: from lsd at 7:32 pm on Aug. 26, 2008

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Quote: from willz at 11:21 pm on Aug. 25, 2008

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America backed, and supplied Al Queda and Osama when the Soviets invaded Afghanistan, he was viewed as a "freedom fighter". Now that he's tuned his attention to the USA he's a terrorist.

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  no we didn't.

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 lol, oh yes you did!

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provide a link

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Here you go...

http://archive.capecodonline.com/special/terror/binladen17b.htm" target="_top">http://http://archive.capecodonline.com/special/terror/binladen17b.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_CIA_assistance_to_Osama_bin_Laden" target="_top">http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_CIA_assistance_to_Osama_bin_Laden

Not conclusive proof, but things like this are almost impossible to prove.

Here you go...  

http://archive.capecodonline.com/special/terror/binladen17b.htm" target="_top">http://http://archive.capecodonline.com/special/terror/binladen17b.htm  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_CIA_assistance_to_Osama_bin_Laden" target="_top">http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_CIA_assistance_to_Osama_bin_Laden  

Not conclusive proof, but things like this are almost impossible to prove.

1. Your first link doesn't cite any sources and is wrong by most contemporary accounts. Your second link actually says that there was no direct connection between the Arab Afghans and the United States.
2. The US (and Iran) both backed what became known as the Northern Alliance, native Afghans fighting against the Soviet occupation. The Taliban were a creation of the Pakistani intelligence who allied with Arab and Pakistani fundamentalist islamists.

The group that was to become the Taliban were led by Mullah Omar and would be an ally to Osama bin Laden. These two sides, the native Islamist Afghans and Arab Afghans were both fiercely anti American and received aid from Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.

The Northern Alliance was a hodgepodge of Afghan ethnic groups and it's ideology was rooted in nationalism more than Islamism. They were led by Ahmed Shah Massoud with support from the US and Iran.

Yes, these two groups sided with each other during the Soviet occupation, but let's not forget that the forces of communist Mao and western-leaning Shang Kai Shek put their civil war on hold to fight Japanese occupation.

Massoud was pro-American whereas Mullah Omar and Osama bin Laden were always anti American. Osama bin Laden and Zawahiri also both categorically deny receiving any aid from the United States.

It was the nationalist Afghanis that we funneled money to, the Islamists were allied with the ISS and Arab countries.

Post edited at 12:24 am on Aug. 27, 2008 by lsd

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A terrorist is someone who primarily uses terror, especially on civilians, in order to scare and pressure a group of people into giving them what they want.

 

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U.S. Government? What?

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I agree. The media gives a very one sided view, just calling them terrorists. <b>Which they are but never really reasons why they are. </b>America just wants a base in the middle east, so they are a kind of threat to other middle eastern countries and of course the oil. I hate the damn government.

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Are you unaware of the definition of a terrorist? A terrorist is someone who primarily uses terror, especially on civilians, in order to scare and pressure a group of people into giving them what they want.

AL-Qaeda and various insurgent groups in Iraq are therefore terrorists because they primarily use suicide bombings and car bombs in civilian areas in order to terrorize entire cities of people. They distribute sick, terrible propaganda such as videos of non-muslims being executed with AKs and also videos of people getting their heads sawed off with knives, in order to instill fear in people.

As for the quote, yeah i suppose the terrorists see themselves as freedom fighters but who cares? They're still just some fucking terrorists

 

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Kind of like when the American government targeted the citizens of Iraq and attempted to starve them out with illegal sanctions?

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Quote: from Assaultrifle at 5:07 pm on Aug. 22, 2008

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A terrorist is someone who primarily uses terror, especially on civilians, in order to scare and pressure a group of people into giving them what they want.  

 
 
 

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U.S. Government? What?

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heh. you read my mind.

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