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men in business suits are often pictured to be white, as opposed to black, Latino, or any other race as it is in reality.

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 Due to the aversion, if strong enough, they will come to the interview in their own everyday attire.

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I've seen this from more than just blacks, too, although I find the casual attire a fair number of young blacks wear to scream ghetto

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We should bear in mind, though, that the vast majority of all blacks get over such silly things by keeping in mind that this is what you do, and indeed, sometimes it doesn't even occur to some.  

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Stop trying to guess what they think. Spend more time telling them whats the RIGHT thing to do to get a job. Most young ppl ANY race dont have a clue unless SOMEBODY bothers telling them or they find out the hard way.

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So it also can't necessarily be ruled out.

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I dress that way because i like it, its comfy and the style is on sale at walmart.

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Then why aren't more blacks out there actually attempting this?  

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so the real problem is they have to know that EVEN for that job they have to treat it serious and dress nice and not just show up like they got out out of bed.

if you look at the mags I linked to thers plenty of blacks that dress nice and know what to do for interviews for high tech jobs and managing etc...

The thing is those guys are older have a degree etc... by then they KNOW the ropes. before that happens though you not gonna get the best types.

And if you wonder why others dont have that problem im gonna tell you one thing that maybe you dont know: they got FATHERS that tell them. They got teachers that care. they got freinds of the family that show them what to do.

I got no father since i was 10. if I didn't have my mentor you think my mom would EVEN KNOW how im supposed to really dress? She might have said dress clean or proper but the suit and tie part I was told by my mentor. the shaking hand firmly part and the looking in the eye he told me. NO ONE ELSE did.

When you got a father or mentor around that makes the big difference for a guy. I dont say that as excuse. I say it because its a fact.

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You're beginning to make the fallacy of creating a rule on the example of a few

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Rather, you're defining blackness based on what you think is good in a black person.  

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Why ONLY define it on what is bad? As you said its pretty baod and EVERYBODY got a different idea on what it is really.

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But do enough do to make such popular stereotypes among blacks unpopular amongst a fair number of black individuals themselves?  

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What you still make the mistake is think that the gang culture MAKES the bad area when its the OTHER WAY AROUND. its the bad area and the bad thiking and the bad influence from REAL gangbangers that create the gang culture. Not ALL blacks are into it.

but a LOT of blacks live in and around where gangs REALLY are.  

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Do they actually call for racial integration?  And most importantly, do they still define these black thugs as "black"?

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There's no set of values that makes one "white."

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And if anyone so dares to deviate from this too greatly, they are quite literally casted off as an "oreo," and if they'd try to claim that they're black, many others will simply tell them that they're the white man's sucka, an oreo, or something along those lines.

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Thats why.

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"Everyone helpin' each other whenever they can we makin' it happen, from nothin' to somethin'
That's how we be survivin'" - BEP

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Why are you so obsessed with black people?

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The study covers all races. It just so happens that the blacks are the ones who tip like shit.

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 In general, you'll find blacks believe that there is more to a race than just the way one looks and one's heritage.  

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- be close to your family like helping your mom, your uncles, your sis, respecting your father etc..
- be loyal to your friends, like not betraying them or cheating them or hurting them
- value hard and honest work even if its manual or badly paid and not put it down
- value black music and black culture and black literature and not put it down and think that european culture is always better.

Think of it like italian culture or irish culture or chinese culture and values. Theres alot of values that immigrants bring that GOOD like being attached to your family and respecting your parents and those get abandoned when they try to "become" american and its not so good.

I bet you gonna say that all the stuff I listed is not seen a lot in blacks right now but they USED to and for blacks that really what "blackness" is about more than anything else. If you read maya angelou or Richard wright you would know that.  

The thing is that the old black tradition and culture is falling apart and the bad stuff that you see is more like the bad area culture.

The other thing that you have to realize youself is that a lot of whites LIKE to think of the bad stuff as black. Like they say that the gangsta rap SELLS better than the good positive rap. Now if you stop and think about the fact that blacks are 12% of the population then ALL the rap thats aroud must be bought by a LOT of whites TOO.

So they are buying that gangsta rap TOO. and if you think that MOST of them dont live in that area it CANT be just because thats "blackness" but its WHAT WHITES think is blackness. Its what they like to THINK blacks are like. They like the music too.  

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As a result, when a white person commits a crime, it's only representative of that individual and wherever that individual's beliefs comes from, whereas when a black person does the same, it means something entirely different for this reason.

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1. gangsta culture is pretty new when you think about it.  

most black music was gospel and blues and jazz before that. THAT music had NOTHING to do with committing a crime  

2. And yet blacks are always seen as being criminal even back in the 1800s and 1900s when hiphop didn't even exist

3. most crimes back in the 1930s were by the mafia and yet no one today says italian culture = mafia

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they don't disassociate themselves from them by saying that he's not "black," when this definition generally comes with so many values associated with it.

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THAT is true and they say it too.  

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Unfortunately, strong unity calls for a dire circumstance that binds a group of people together as a result.

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Now that legal discrimination is out the window, in order for blacks to remain united, they must perceive racism against them from society at large.

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the unity will remain.  

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but thats not what unity is about. Its more about comminuity unity and helping your friends and family because fuck they NEED it.

And if you think about it whites could do that TOO with their friends and family a lot more. I seen a lot of old or sick white folks abandoned by their family because they no longer useful. They end up in my hood.

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Individuality necessarily leads to a lack of unity for the very nature of it.

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Individuality got some good things but its not ALL good.  

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I believe in advertising such jobs in areas of a predominantly black population, but I don't believe in giving black applicants more of a priority than anyone else.

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Although getting a job as a pizza delivery driver really isn't difficult so long as you're 18, have a car, and have a decent driving record.

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The main concern is just getting blacks to apply more than anything else.  I'd doubt affirmative action would even be needed to correct any balances.

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The idea of being a minority under pressure has a tendency to bind the individuals of that minority together and identify with each other more due to sharing the same problems.  When you're the majority and have stable control of power, such things don't occur to you, and as a result, treating others individually makes sense.

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- Peru is a very interesting country to look into regarding its racial demographics and culture.

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  I'd argue that the fact that any idea of blackness (ie. a shared set of values) exists will naturally cause some self-segregation for it will lead those who are black to identify more with others who are black as opposed to those who are not.

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I bet its more like the way they do things at home and habits and things like that that make it that they not ready and dont know what to tip.  

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But it does not apply in a similar way despite the same situation but reversed.  As whites do not generally define races with a shared set of values, while blacks generally do, such analogies don't work.

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Post edited at 9:57 pm on Aug. 25, 2008 by jakelong

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its kinda relates to what we talk about individuality.

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That's how we be survivin'" - BEP

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I'm sorry I didn't read your massive post, but did you write this article for school at least?

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