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Don't smoke weed. You'll get the munchies, which is the most dangerous condition known to man.

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I agree with Mark15UKs post- there are some very pleasant effects. Or obviously no-one would smoke it. The negative effects he noted will not apply to all people at all times.

Rather than add to his list I`ll only add two comments.:
Increasingly pot is being spiked with addictive drugs to- DUH- make it addictive so you keep coming back. Therefore it is not just cannabis but (for instance) cannabis/cocaine. THis is clever -and unregulated marketing but organised crime which is what you are fudning when you buy from most dealers. Sure, the guy may be a guy you've known for a long time, but look up the chain of supply and it's organised crime.

The other thing that really disturbs me is that even if you were to fidn "pure" pot grown by some Granny in her backyard garden, pot-heads (many, many of whom I've counted among friends in the past) are , as a group, low or no motivation losers.You'll eventually find yourself hanging out only with them and written off by your other friends. Pot smokers will never admit to being a loser and some will point to maintinaing good grades. Good for them! There are exceptions of course.ANd it is also true that many adults carrying on successful careers also smoke pot sometimes. But they aren't hanging around bridges and school yards at night with their buddies, making getting high a major part of their day/week/life.

So, beyond the fact that it is illegal and you will face some consequences if you get caught (no, no man! No-one ever gets caught,lol!) if you want to try it, that's your decision. It may remain attractive for you or may not.

BTW in case anyone thinks I'm over the top anti-pot, I'm not. I recognise there are certain hypocrisies built into society that allows/promotes intoxication by alcohol but not cannabis (assuming you can still get anadulterated cannabis). But that is a different issue. I also think the laws are ridiculously out of date and should stop creating an un-even and sometimes heavy handed approach to enforcement, giving thousands criminal arrest and/or conviction records. Again- that's another issue.

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Quote: from i r sekz at 6:29 am on Aug. 19, 2008

Quote: from Marc15uk at 9:00 am on Aug. 19, 2008

Some Pro's:  

     * Some people may feel chilled out, relaxed and happy, while others have one puff and feel sick.  
     * Others get the giggles and may become talkative.  
     * Hunger pangs are common and are known as 'getting the munchies'.  
     * Users may become more aware of their senses or get a feeling of slowing of time, which are due to its hallucinogenic effects.  

   
 Some con's:  

     * Even hardcore smokers can become anxious, panicky and suspicious.  
     * It affects your coordination, which is one of the reasons why drug driving is just as illegal as drink driving.  
     * Some people think cannabis is harmless just because it's a plant - but it isn't harmless. Cannabis, like tobacco, has lots of chemical 'nasties', which can cause lung disease and cancer with long-term or heavy use, especially as it is often mixed with tobacco. It can also make asthma worse.  
     * Cannabis is risky for anyone with a heart problem as it increases the heart rate and can affect blood pressure.  
     * There's also increasing evidence of a link between cannabis and mental health problems such as schizophrenia. If you've a history of mental health problems, depression or are experiencing paranoia, then taking this drug is not a good idea.  
     * Frequent use of cannabis can cut a man's sperm count and suppress ovulation in women. If you're pregnant, smoking cannabis may harm the baby.  
     * Regular, heavy use makes it difficult to learn and concentrate.  Some people begin to feel tired all the time and can't seem to get motivated.  
     * Some users may want to buy stronger herbal cannabis to get 'a bigger high' but unpleasant reactions can be more powerful when you use stronger strains, and stronger varieties may lead in time to more severe dependence or more severe mental health effects.  

   
 (SOURCE: TALKTOFRANK.COM)


Please refrain from posting Talk To Frank information.  Sorry but most of it is bullshit propaganda in a nice friendly package.

 

 
POSITIVE

    * mood lift, euphoria
    * laughter
    * relaxation, stress reduction
    * creative, philosophical or deep thinking : ideas flow more easily
    * increased appreciation of music. More aware of, deeper connection to music.
    * increased awareness of senses. (eating, drinking, smell)
    * change in experience of muscle fatigue. Pleasant body feel. Increase in body/mind connection.
    * pain relief (headaches, cramps)
    * reduced nausea, increased appetite (used medically for this)
    * boring tasks or entertainment can become more interesting or funny

NEUTRAL

    * general change in consciousness (as with many psychoactives)
    * increased appetite, snacky-ness
    * slowness (slow driving, talking)
    * change in vision such as sharpened colors or lights
    * closed-eye visuals (somewhat uncommon)
    * tiredness, sleepiness, lethargy
    * stimulation, inability to sleep (less common)
    * blood shot eyes (more common with certain varieties of cannabis and inexperienced users)
    * mouth dryness, sticky-mouth (varies with strain)
    * interrupts linear memory. Difficulty following a train of thought.
    * cheek, jaw, facial tension / numbness (less commonly reported)
    * racing thoughts (especially at high doses)
    * increased emotional impact of music
    * Time sense altered: cars seem like they are moving too fast, time dilation and compression are common at higher doses

NEGATIVE

    * nausea, especially in combination with alcohol, some pharmaceuticals, or other psychoactives
    * coughing, asthma, upper respiratory problems
    * difficulty with short term memory during effects and during periods of frequent use (Ranganathan M, D'Souza DC, Psychopharmacology, 2006)
    * racing heart, agitation, feeling tense
    * mild to severe anxiety
    * panic attacks in sensitive users or with very high doses (oral use increases risk of getting too much)
    * headaches
    * dizziness, confusion
    * lightheadedness or fainting (in cases of lowered blood pressure)
    * paranoid & anxious thoughts more frequent
    * possible psychological dependence on cannabis
    * clumsiness, loss of coordination at high doses
    * can precipitate or exacerbate latent or existing mental disorders


I was almost afraid that no one smart would post.

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Why the fuck is increased appetite neutral? You people are crazy.

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Quote: from SteveIgnorant at 6:40 am on Aug. 19, 2008

PROS:  
-Fun
-Social

CONS:
-IT IS A GATEWAY DRUG
-Waste of time
-Waste of money


All the cons are just subjective opinions.

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Quote: from Permious at 8:35 am on Aug. 19, 2008

Why the fuck is increased appetite neutral? You people are crazy.

Some people like to eat more and some don't.

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Quote: from Al Legator at 6:46 am on Aug. 19, 2008

I agree with Mark15UKs post- there are some very pleasant effects. Or obviously no-one would smoke it. The negative effects he noted will not apply to all people at all times.

Rather than add to his list I`ll only add two comments.:
 Increasingly pot is being spiked with addictive drugs to- DUH- make it addictive so you keep coming back. Therefore it is not just cannabis but (for instance) cannabis/cocaine. THis is clever -and unregulated marketing but organised crime which is what you are fudning when you buy from most dealers. Sure, the guy may be a guy you've known for a long time, but look up the chain of supply and it's organised crime.

The other thing that really disturbs me is that even if you were to fidn "pure" pot grown by some Granny in her backyard garden, pot-heads (many, many of whom I've counted among friends in the past) are , as a group, low or no motivation losers.You'll eventually find yourself hanging out only with them and written off by your other friends. Pot smokers will never admit to being a loser and some will point to maintinaing good grades. Good for them! There are exceptions of course.ANd it is also true that many adults carrying on successful careers also smoke pot sometimes. But they aren't hanging around bridges and school yards at night with their buddies, making getting high a major part of their day/week/life.

So, beyond the fact that it is illegal and you will face some consequences if you get caught (no, no man! No-one ever gets caught,lol!) if you want to try it, that's your decision. It may remain attractive for you or may not.  

BTW in case anyone thinks I'm over the top anti-pot, I'm not. I recognise there are certain hypocrisies built into society that allows/promotes intoxication by alcohol but not cannabis (assuming you can still get anadulterated cannabis). But that is a different issue. I also think the laws are ridiculously out of date and should stop creating an un-even and sometimes heavy handed approach to enforcement, giving thousands criminal arrest and/or conviction records. Again- that's another issue.


What are you talking about? Where did you ever encounter pot being spiked with cocaine? First the cocaine would cost the dealer more. Next it would cost the dealer customers who notice that his pot is spiked with cocaine. Third if you put cocaine in such small amounts into pot that you don't notice it then smoking it would have virtually no effect anyway.

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Quote: from MushroomSatsujin at 8:14 am on Aug. 19, 2008

Quote: from i r sekz at 6:29 am on Aug. 19, 2008

Quote: from Marc15uk at 9:00 am on Aug. 19, 2008

Some Pro's:

  * Some people may feel chilled out, relaxed and happy, while others have one puff and feel sick.
  * Others get the giggles and may become talkative.  
  * Hunger pangs are common and are known as 'getting the munchies'.
  * Users may become more aware of their senses or get a feeling of slowing of time, which are due to its hallucinogenic effects.

 
  Some con's:

  * Even hardcore smokers can become anxious, panicky and suspicious.
  * It affects your coordination, which is one of the reasons why drug driving is just as illegal as drink driving.
  * Some people think cannabis is harmless just because it's a plant - but it isn't harmless. Cannabis, like tobacco, has lots of chemical 'nasties', which can cause lung disease and cancer with long-term or heavy use, especially as it is often mixed with tobacco. It can also make asthma worse.
  * Cannabis is risky for anyone with a heart problem as it increases the heart rate and can affect blood pressure.
  * There's also increasing evidence of a link between cannabis and mental health problems such as schizophrenia. If you've a history of mental health problems, depression or are experiencing paranoia, then taking this drug is not a good idea.
  * Frequent use of cannabis can cut a man's sperm count and suppress ovulation in women. If you're pregnant, smoking cannabis may harm the baby.
  * Regular, heavy use makes it difficult to learn and concentrate. Some people begin to feel tired all the time and can't seem to get motivated.
  * Some users may want to buy stronger herbal cannabis to get 'a bigger high' but unpleasant reactions can be more powerful when you use stronger strains, and stronger varieties may lead in time to more severe dependence or more severe mental health effects.

 
  (SOURCE: TALKTOFRANK.COM)


 

 Please refrain from posting Talk To Frank information. Sorry but most of it is bullshit propaganda in a nice friendly package.  

 

 
 POSITIVE  

  * mood lift, euphoria  
  * laughter  
  * relaxation, stress reduction  
  * creative, philosophical or deep thinking : ideas flow more easily  
  * increased appreciation of music. More aware of, deeper connection to music.  
  * increased awareness of senses. (eating, drinking, smell)  
  * change in experience of muscle fatigue. Pleasant body feel. Increase in body/mind connection.  
  * pain relief (headaches, cramps)  
  * reduced nausea, increased appetite (used medically for this)  
  * boring tasks or entertainment can become more interesting or funny  

 NEUTRAL  

  * general change in consciousness (as with many psychoactives)  
  * increased appetite, snacky-ness  
  * slowness (slow driving, talking)  
  * change in vision such as sharpened colors or lights  
  * closed-eye visuals (somewhat uncommon)  
  * tiredness, sleepiness, lethargy  
  * stimulation, inability to sleep (less common)  
  * blood shot eyes (more common with certain varieties of cannabis and inexperienced users)  
  * mouth dryness, sticky-mouth (varies with strain)  
  * interrupts linear memory. Difficulty following a train of thought.  
  * cheek, jaw, facial tension / numbness (less commonly reported)  
  * racing thoughts (especially at high doses)  
  * increased emotional impact of music  
  * Time sense altered: cars seem like they are moving too fast, time dilation and compression are common at higher doses  

 NEGATIVE  

  * nausea, especially in combination with alcohol, some pharmaceuticals, or other psychoactives  
  * coughing, asthma, upper respiratory problems  
  * difficulty with short term memory during effects and during periods of frequent use (Ranganathan M, D'Souza DC, Psychopharmacology, 2006)  
  * racing heart, agitation, feeling tense  
  * mild to severe anxiety  
  * panic attacks in sensitive users or with very high doses (oral use increases risk of getting too much)  
  * headaches  
  * dizziness, confusion  
  * lightheadedness or fainting (in cases of lowered blood pressure)  
  * paranoid & anxious thoughts more frequent  
  * possible psychological dependence on cannabis  
  * clumsiness, loss of coordination at high doses  
  * can precipitate or exacerbate latent or existing mental disorders  
 


I was almost afraid that no one smart would post.

hey, he beat me to it.

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Quote: from PewPew at 9:44 am on Aug. 19, 2008

Quote: from Al Legator at 6:46 am on Aug. 19, 2008

I agree with Mark15UKs post- there are some very pleasant effects. Or obviously no-one would smoke it. The negative effects he noted will not apply to all people at all times.  

 Rather than add to his list I`ll only add two comments.:  
  Increasingly pot is being spiked with addictive drugs to- DUH- make it addictive so you keep coming back. Therefore it is not just cannabis but (for instance) cannabis/cocaine. THis is clever -and unregulated marketing but organised crime which is what you are fudning when you buy from most dealers. Sure, the guy may be a guy you've known for a long time, but look up the chain of supply and it's organised crime.  

 The other thing that really disturbs me is that even if you were to fidn "pure" pot grown by some Granny in her backyard garden, pot-heads (many, many of whom I've counted among friends in the past) are , as a group, low or no motivation losers.You'll eventually find yourself hanging out only with them and written off by your other friends. Pot smokers will never admit to being a loser and some will point to maintinaing good grades. Good for them! There are exceptions of course.ANd it is also true that many adults carrying on successful careers also smoke pot sometimes. But they aren't hanging around bridges and school yards at night with their buddies, making getting high a major part of their day/week/life.  

 So, beyond the fact that it is illegal and you will face some consequences if you get caught (no, no man! No-one ever gets caught,lol!) if you want to try it, that's your decision. It may remain attractive for you or may not.

 BTW in case anyone thinks I'm over the top anti-pot, I'm not. I recognise there are certain hypocrisies built into society that allows/promotes intoxication by alcohol but not cannabis (assuming you can still get anadulterated cannabis). But that is a different issue. I also think the laws are ridiculously out of date and should stop creating an un-even and sometimes heavy handed approach to enforcement, giving thousands criminal arrest and/or conviction records. Again- that's another issue.


What are you talking about? Where did you ever encounter pot being spiked with cocaine? First the cocaine would cost the dealer more. Next it would cost the dealer customers who notice that his pot is spiked with cocaine. Third if you put cocaine in such small amounts into pot that you don't notice it then smoking it would have virtually no effect anyway.


it happens they lace it with cocain or Ice even E

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Quote: from Phoenix 2008 at 12:58 am on Aug. 20, 2008

Quote: from PewPew at 9:44 am on Aug. 19, 2008

Quote: from Al Legator at 6:46 am on Aug. 19, 2008

I agree with Mark15UKs post- there are some very pleasant effects. Or obviously no-one would smoke it. The negative effects he noted will not apply to all people at all times.    

Rather than add to his list I`ll only add two comments.:    
 Increasingly pot is being spiked with addictive drugs to- DUH- make it addictive so you keep coming back. Therefore it is not just cannabis but (for instance) cannabis/cocaine. THis is clever -and unregulated marketing but organised crime which is what you are fudning when you buy from most dealers. Sure, the guy may be a guy you've known for a long time, but look up the chain of supply and it's organised crime.    

The other thing that really disturbs me is that even if you were to fidn "pure" pot grown by some Granny in her backyard garden, pot-heads (many, many of whom I've counted among friends in the past) are , as a group, low or no motivation losers.You'll eventually find yourself hanging out only with them and written off by your other friends. Pot smokers will never admit to being a loser and some will point to maintinaing good grades. Good for them! There are exceptions of course.ANd it is also true that many adults carrying on successful careers also smoke pot sometimes. But they aren't hanging around bridges and school yards at night with their buddies, making getting high a major part of their day/week/life.    

So, beyond the fact that it is illegal and you will face some consequences if you get caught (no, no man! No-one ever gets caught,lol!) if you want to try it, that's your decision. It may remain attractive for you or may not.

BTW in case anyone thinks I'm over the top anti-pot, I'm not. I recognise there are certain hypocrisies built into society that allows/promotes intoxication by alcohol but not cannabis (assuming you can still get anadulterated cannabis). But that is a different issue. I also think the laws are ridiculously out of date and should stop creating an un-even and sometimes heavy handed approach to enforcement, giving thousands criminal arrest and/or conviction records. Again- that's another issue.


What are you talking about? Where did you ever encounter pot being spiked with cocaine? First the cocaine would cost the dealer more. Next it would cost the dealer customers who notice that his pot is spiked with cocaine. Third if you put cocaine in such small amounts into pot that you don't notice it then smoking it would have virtually no effect anyway.


it happens they lace it with cocain or Ice even E

No it doesn't. If a dealer laces their bud they will tell you and charge you more. ITS FUCKING ECONOMICS.

Look I have a $20 bag of weed (1.5 grams), I dump in $20 worth of coke. I'm not going to sell it for $20, I'm not going to sell it for $30, I'm not going to sell it for $40, I'm going to sell it for $45 at least, most likely $50-$60, then you will ask why its so expensive and I will tell you in order to explain the outrageous price. Its called ECONOMICS, they teach it to you in school.


No dealer will sell you weed laced with an "addictive" drug and not tell you.  Besides adding addictive drugs to weed in order to keep a customer coming back is retarded.  Weed dealers are as common as pennies in parking lots.  

Post edited at 10:09 pm on Aug. 19, 2008 by i r sekz

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Quote: from i r sekz at 10:06 pm on Aug. 19, 2008

Quote: from Phoenix 2008 at 12:58 am on Aug. 20, 2008

Quote: from PewPew at 9:44 am on Aug. 19, 2008

Quote: from Al Legator at 6:46 am on Aug. 19, 2008

I agree with Mark15UKs post- there are some very pleasant effects. Or obviously no-one would smoke it. The negative effects he noted will not apply to all people at all times.

  Rather than add to his list I`ll only add two comments.:
  Increasingly pot is being spiked with addictive drugs to- DUH- make it addictive so you keep coming back. Therefore it is not just cannabis but (for instance) cannabis/cocaine. THis is clever -and unregulated marketing but organised crime which is what you are fudning when you buy from most dealers. Sure, the guy may be a guy you've known for a long time, but look up the chain of supply and it's organised crime.

  The other thing that really disturbs me is that even if you were to fidn "pure" pot grown by some Granny in her backyard garden, pot-heads (many, many of whom I've counted among friends in the past) are , as a group, low or no motivation losers.You'll eventually find yourself hanging out only with them and written off by your other friends. Pot smokers will never admit to being a loser and some will point to maintinaing good grades. Good for them! There are exceptions of course.ANd it is also true that many adults carrying on successful careers also smoke pot sometimes. But they aren't hanging around bridges and school yards at night with their buddies, making getting high a major part of their day/week/life.

  So, beyond the fact that it is illegal and you will face some consequences if you get caught (no, no man! No-one ever gets caught,lol!) if you want to try it, that's your decision. It may remain attractive for you or may not.    

  BTW in case anyone thinks I'm over the top anti-pot, I'm not. I recognise there are certain hypocrisies built into society that allows/promotes intoxication by alcohol but not cannabis (assuming you can still get anadulterated cannabis). But that is a different issue. I also think the laws are ridiculously out of date and should stop creating an un-even and sometimes heavy handed approach to enforcement, giving thousands criminal arrest and/or conviction records. Again- that's another issue.


 

 What are you talking about? Where did you ever encounter pot being spiked with cocaine? First the cocaine would cost the dealer more. Next it would cost the dealer customers who notice that his pot is spiked with cocaine. Third if you put cocaine in such small amounts into pot that you don't notice it then smoking it would have virtually no effect anyway.


it happens they lace it with cocain or Ice even E

No it doesn't.  If a dealer laces their bud they will tell you and charge you more.  ITS FUCKING ECONOMICS.

Look I have a $20 bag of weed (1.5 grams), I dump in $20 worth of coke.  I'm not going to sell it for $20, I'm not going to sell it for $30, I'm not going to sell it for $40, I'm going to sell it for $45 at least, most likely $50-$60, then you will ask why its so expensive and I will tell you in order to explain the outrageous price.  Its called ECONOMICS, they teach it to you in school.


No dealer will sell you weed laced with an "addictive" drug and not tell you. Besides adding addictive drugs to weed in order to keep a customer coming back is retarded. Weed dealers are as common as pennies in parking lots.


no they wont   BUT IT HAPPENS

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I R SEKZ did you rip off Erowid? I swore I read that before but some it looks new lol.

Anyways I always considered a pro of weed was the cheapness. For about the same price of a 26ozer of booze, I could have enough weed to last a bit over a week. The bottle would likely last me only one night though :(.

I guess the negative depends on the person and their habits. I know some people who smoke about $70 of weed a day. They get bored and smoking just becomes something to do. I was like that for awhile, it's not the weed's fault.

Also the weed gave me bad heart pains for awhile whenever I smoked. It was very unpleasant and I know other people who have the same problem.

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