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Web Resources: Suicide Myths Dispelled, Suicide Information
USA Suicide Hotline: 1-800-SUICIDE (1-800-784-2433)
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Ain't allowed to talk about suicide, chico. It's always been that way.
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It's kind of a liability issue.
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It was Audrey820 wasnt it. I hate her. So hard...
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I think its been like this for a while. Its just you. That is...unless youve been here before a while, then I wouldnt know.
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i would agree with u, but thats the rules
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The moderators aren't trained professionals in the topic of suicide and neither are any of the members here. We have no means of really helping her or communicating with her like a professional needs to. It is out of Livewire's hands at this point, thus the post was removed.
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another forum got sued ALOT of money because a child had asked for help there and then killed themselves, it was deemed the site had given innaproprite advice and thus was responsable. For this reason LiveWire cannot risk such action, LiveWire is funded by David and Liability for its content falls in his head, he would have to personally pay the costs should action be brought against LW. He cannot afford that, LW does not have that kinda money. Thus all topics on suicide are removed. Should the user be lucky and a member such as myself see the topic before removal, They will get a PM explaining this and advising them to seek professional help from one of several helplines available for this situation.
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Quote: from ManicD at 7:36 pm on Aug. 12, 2008
 another forum got sued ALOT of money because a child had asked for help there and then killed themselves, it was deemed the site had given innaproprite advice and thus was responsable. 
Which forum? This has never been shown, yet it's been talked about a billion times. I'm sure there's also much more to the story. And by the way, people giving advice on a forum in no way implies that they're professionals. They're just giving fucking peer advice. Also, professional help is often bullshit. Psychiatry sucks.
For this reason LiveWire cannot risk such action, LiveWire is funded by David and Liability for its content falls in his head
In no way does David necessarily endorse anything said on this site, it even says this in the information.
he would have to personally pay the costs should action be brought against LW.
Anyone who is stupid enough to, by a long shot, want to sue LiveWire, would likely have done it regardless of whether 'suicide topics are allowed or not'. That variable is irrelevant because so much CRAZY shit out there would have to happen for it to happen in the first place.
They will get a PM explaining this and advising them to seek professional help from one of several helplines available for this situation.
Excuse me? This is fucking condescending bullshit. Most people who have at a point attempted suicide, myself included, have been through many, many professionals. And, we honestly don't think much of that fucking shit. Not to mention that DELETING someone's damn help topic, when it's their last resort is harmful emotionally. What this really amounts to is something that makes suicidal people feel WORSE and MORE LIKELY to commit suicide than if the topics stayed, just because David is a paranoid fuck. Even if there was a real, albeit small chance of a lawsuit (which there really isn't, it's a long shot), this would be just as likely to cause one. An airplane isn't going to fall out of the sky and blow me up, but there's always the chance. But we ignore the remote possibility, and go on with our lives. Get my drift? I've never heard a bigger load of horseshit, except maybe if someone said that katyduck was a great moderator. Seriously, you sound like you're reciting shit from a book. Post edited at 6:17 pm on Aug. 12, 2008 by iconoclast
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Quote: from prisoner of hss at 2:14 am on Aug. 13, 2008
Quote: from ManicD at 7:36 pm on Aug. 12, 2008
another forum got sued ALOT of money because a child had asked for help there and then killed themselves, it was deemed the site had given innaproprite advice and thus was responsable.
Which forum? This has never been shown, yet it's been talked about a billion times. I'm sure there's also much more to the story. And by the way, people giving advice on a forum in no way implies that they're professionals. They're just giving fucking peer advice. Also, professional help is often bullshit. Psychiatry sucks.
What forum, i dotn know, but i clearly remeber when the rule was first instated davids reason was that another forum had been taken to court over a simelar incident
For this reason LiveWire cannot risk such action, LiveWire is funded by David and Liability for its content falls in his head
In no way does David necessarily endorse anything said on this site, it even says this in the information.
Endorsement has NOTHING to do with it. Livewire is not a Limited company and thus if livewire get sued the money comes out of davids PERSONAL account
he would have to personally pay the costs should action be brought against LW.
Anyone who is stupid enough to, by a long shot, want to sue LiveWire, would likely have done it regardless of whether 'suicide topics are allowed or not'. That variable is irrelevant because so much CRAZY shit out there would have to happen for it to happen in the first place.
Yes but other grounds are much much harder to build a case for, as i say this all started when another forum WAS taking to court over a suicide.
They will get a PM explaining this and advising them to seek professional help from one of several helplines available for this situation.
Excuse me? This is fucking condescending bullshit. Most people who have at a point attempted suicide, myself included, have been through many, many professionals. And, we honestly don't think much of that fucking shit. Not to mention that DELETING someone's damn help topic, when it's their last resort is harmful emotionally.
I agree its emotionally harmful, but the rules state the topic should not have been created in the first place, this means that if someone creates one and its removed, LiveWire is only reminding the user what they agreed to. The PM, from a user such as myself, is designed to counteract some of that feeling when the topic is removed, it's designed to make the user feel that although the topic is gone someone is still taking the time to personally offer advice. I even got a "thank you i might try and call them" reply from the user in question when i sent the message, and i normally get some sort of response. Professionals may be shit but its their liability not LW's. These professionals take out Liability insurance, it means that if they are sued, the insurance company pay the fines. LW, as far as i know, does not have such insurance.
What this really amounts to is something that makes suicidal people feel WORSE and MORE LIKELY to commit suicide than if the topics stayed, just because David is a paranoid fuck. Even if there was a real, albeit small chance of a lawsuit (which there really isn't, it's a long shot), this would be just as likely to cause one. An airplane isn't going to fall out of the sky and blow me up, but there's always the chance. But we ignore the remote possibility, and go on with our lives. Get my drift?
As i say, a forum DID get taken to court, LW never used to have this rule, it was added BECAUSE the other forum got taken to court. This is/was a real risk and one david/LiveWire could not afford. Win or lose the legal fees alone would bankrupt LiveWire
I've never heard a bigger load of horseshit, except maybe if someone said that katyduck was a great moderator. Seriously, you sound like you're reciting shit from a book.
as for picking on mods now your just sounding even more of a stroppy teenager...let me guess, she deleted a few of your replies and now your upset... Welcome to the real world, there are people in positions of power, you may not like them, you don't have to get on with them, but you dam well sit down and shut up and do what they say or you go find yourself another job. If you dont like the way LW is run, fuck off and find another forum, quit making snide comments. I really cant stand people like you. Post edited at 2:23 pm on Aug. 13, 2008 by ManicD
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What forum, i dotn know, but i clearly remeber when the rule was first instated davids reason was that another forum had been taken to court over a simelar incident
I think you misunderstood, it was that it could happen, and I've never seen this forum.
Endorsement has NOTHING to do with it. Livewire is not a Limited company and thus if livewire get sued the money comes out of davids PERSONAL account
The point was that there's no reason for the site OR david to be sued.
Yes but other grounds are much much harder to build a case for, as i say this all started when another forum WAS taking to court over a suicide.
Not really, and you're building long-shot scenarios upon each other, which is honestly a common tactic of conspiracy theorists. If someone wants to sue LiveWire in the first place, there's plenty of shit they can dig up, especially if there are a lot of serious miserable topics around. And remember, LW can be brought to court anyway. If brought to court for either, it's highly unlikely the other side would win. The whole idea is the time and court costs would ruin everything. It's the same either way.
I agree its emotionally harmful, but the rules state the topic should not have been created in the first place, this means that if someone creates one and its removed, LiveWire is only reminding the user what they agreed to.
The rules are totally irrelevant to what I said.
The PM, from a user such as myself, is designed to counteract some of that feeling when the topic is removed, it's designed to make the user feel that although the topic is gone someone is still taking the time to personally offer advice. I even got a "thank you i might try and call them" reply from the user in question when i sent the message, and i normally get some sort of response.
PM's are nice, but it's still a bad thing, AND this doesn't always happen.
Professionals may be shit but its their liability not LW's. These professionals take out Liability insurance, it means that if they are sued, the insurance company pay the fines. LW, as far as i know, does not have such insurance.
Actually, professionals can be sued themselves and kicked off. But the point of what I said is that it is extremely condescending to just tell someone to shut up and get professional help.
As i say, a forum DID get taken to court, LW never used to have this rule, it was added BECAUSE the other forum got taken to court. This is/was a real risk and one david/LiveWire could not afford. Win or lose the legal fees alone would bankrupt LiveWire
I'd like evidence of this, and I'd like the full story. And even if true, one case doesn't necessarily make a big difference. There are isolated cases of EVERYTHING. Yep, it's the legal fees. And my point was that those legal fees will be incurred 'REGARDLESS' of whether there is a suicide topic or not, because whether or not there is is totally irrelevant to whether someone TRIES to sue LW. If someone is that nuts, they'll do it anyway.
as for picking on mods now your just sounding even more of a stroppy teenager...let me guess, she deleted a few of your replies and now your upset...
No, she's a long term over-emotional turbocunt, and should be banned from this site forever.
If you dont like the way LW is run, fuck off and find another forum, quit making snide comments. I really cant stand people like you.
If you care about support so much, stop acting like the 'rules' matter and defending the bullshit actions of the admin.
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