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What would you consider excessive, then? Four? Fifty? Where would you draw the line for the 13 year olds to be able to see that this 'support' site is aimed at?

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Fifty sounds a bit excessive, yes.

If a 13 year old is offended by that type of language, they should have the filter one.  You consider one fuck different than 3 fucks?

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Quote: from Forever Angel at 1:50 pm on Aug. 14, 2008

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What would you consider excessive, then? Four? Fifty? Where would you draw the line for the 13 year olds to be able to see that this 'support' site is aimed at?

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Fifty sounds a bit excessive, yes.

If a 13 year old is offended by that type of language, they should have the filter one.  You consider one fuck different than 3 fucks?

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Depending on context, there is no difference either, between one 'fuck' and 100. In a title like that one, there is no context that validates it. What validates it for you?

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Bohica

Anyway, I did answer to you as to wear I'd draw the line.  Fifty fucks in a row is probably excessive, and I'd edit it.  

So, back to his title, what would you have me do if you believe their is no difference between one fuck and three fucks?

(Also, does this post seem excessive to you?  Am I breaking a rule in your mind?)

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If a parent doesn't want their child seeing the word fuck, they can turn content filter on.  I feel much the same way about avatars, but the team has already decided we won't allow underwear avatars.  If the team suddenly decided we won't allow the word fuck (although it would NEVER happen), then I'd remove the word from his title.  Until then, I'll use my own discretion for what "excessive" is, and three fucks in a row doesn't do it for me.

Anyway, I did answer to you as to wear I'd draw the line.  Fifty fucks in a row is probably excessive, and I'd edit it.  

So, back to his title, what would you have me do if you believe their is no difference between one fuck and three fucks?

(Also, does this post seem excessive to you?  Am I breaking a rule in your mind?)

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First paragraph... There is a "letter to parents", you should read it sometime. It assures parents that this site is for support and their child won't be exposed to the very thing that you won't censor. And you told me that David was the one that decided on the "no underwear" rule, not the 'team'. Which is it? And why does the 'team' have to decide on enforcing a written rule? Any profane or vulgar word three times in a row without context or reason is excessive, whether or not it "does it for you".

No, that's not an answer as to where you'd draw the line... "probably excessive"?? How about 40? 30? You didn't really answer my question.

So, back to the title... I'd have rewritten it to reflect the topic... period. No need for any 'fuck"s in it.

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"God does play dice" - Stephen Hawking

Bohica

I understand you want us to moderate excessive bad language, and I will, when I see something that triggers my mind as excessive (50 fucks in a row, I'd edit).  Until then, I'm going to leave everything that doesn't.  Sorry.

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David came up with the ruling, if I'm not mistaken, but the team has decided to uphold it with the strictest of moderation style.

I understand you want us to moderate excessive bad language, and I will, when I see something that triggers my mind as excessive (50 fucks in a row, I'd edit).  Until then, I'm going to leave everything that doesn't.  Sorry.

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And what of the assurances to the parents? A show of hypocrisy at it's best?

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"God does play dice" - Stephen Hawking

Bohica

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So in other words, the "excessive vulgar and profane" rule doesn't really apply because you don't see it ever happening. And yet, an unwritten rule will be 'strictly' enforced. Which of the other written rules do you feel are subject to be ignored? I'll take that into account when I consider reporting posts.  

And what of the assurances to the parents? A show of hypocrisy at it's best?

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No, it applies.  I will moderate language when it reaches the excessive point to me.  Just as the guideline says.

Where in the Letter to Parents does it say "We don't allow threefucks in a row, either, because that's excessive."?

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Where in the Letter to Parents does it say "We don't allow three fucks in a row, either, because that's excessive."?

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I would like to know, though, why context is of no importance in the use of vulgarity and/or profanity.

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"God does play dice" - Stephen Hawking

Bohica

Yes, some rules are enforced more strongly than others.  You can go to any website and observe the exact same thing.  For example, advertisers are banned on sight.  No chances given, just an automatic ban.  

That, however, doesn't make us inconsistent.  Inconsistent would be banning an advertiser, but leaving another.  Or removing bad language, but leaving some other bad language.  We just take some rules more seriously than others, and if you want us to take bad language seriously, you're going to be waiting a very, very long time.

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I'm not sure where you are getting any mention of bad language being moderated at all in that letter, actually.  So you claiming hypocrisy just further confuses me.

Yes, some rules are enforced more strongly than others.  You can go to any website and observe the exact same thing.  For example, advertisers are banned on sight.  No chances given, just an automatic ban.  

That, however, doesn't make us inconsistent.  Inconsistent would be banning an advertiser, but leaving another.  Or removing bad language, but leaving some other bad language.  We just take some rules more seriously than others, and if you want us to take bad language seriously, you're going to be waiting a very, very long time.

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... Well, I did not see that coming.

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Post edited at 1:50 pm on Aug. 14, 2008 by Forever Angel

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Bohica

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I'm not sure where you are getting any mention of bad language being moderated at all in that letter, actually.  So you claiming hypocrisy just further confuses me.

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You're not really serious, are you?

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Quote: from The Professional at 3:42 pm on Aug. 14, 2008

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... Well, I did not see that coming.

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I'll only bang my head against a brick wall for so long. You side-step my points and rationalize your decisions, how do I argue against that? In effect, you've told me that nothing I've said has anything worth your consideration. So why continue?

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I apologize if you ever thought I was going to suddenly start moderating bad language.

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Quote: from The Professional at 4:28 pm on Aug. 14, 2008

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I'm not sure where you are getting any mention of bad language being moderated at all in that letter, actually. So you claiming hypocrisy just further confuses me.

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You're not really serious, are you?

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Yes, I am.  Perhaps I overlooked it.

http://www.golivewire.com/forums/lettertoparents.html

Where in that letter does it say anything about bad language?