Thats about it.  It should never involve itself in trying to determine the flow of goods and services for nothing can plan out the ever changing demands of billions of people.  Thats the beauty of capitalism - its a distributive system where the only things you need to worry about are the things you naturally would concern yourself with.  All the other concerns are filled in by others naturally concerning themselves.  That is the only way that billions of transactions and decisions a day can be processed and weighed and reacted to in a timely manner.

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It isn't but one is obviously superior to the other. Governments should do what other systems cannot do and thats ensure that individual rights are respected, create a system for punishment for those who violate rights, and provide for the defense of the nation.

Thats about it. It should never involve itself in trying to determine the flow of goods and services for nothing can plan out the ever changing demands of billions of people. Thats the beauty of capitalism - its a distributive system where the only things you need to worry about are the things you naturally would concern yourself with. All the other concerns are filled in by others naturally concerning themselves. That is the only way that billions of transactions and decisions a day can be processed and weighed and reacted to in a timely manner.

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I agree with the majority of this, but there are other things government needs to provide for as well. There are things that would not be profitable for a corporation to oversee that the government needs to concern itself with.

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Quote: from Elm at 8:46 am on July 7, 2008

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It isn't but one is obviously superior to the other.  Governments should do what other systems cannot do and thats ensure that individual rights are respected, create a system for punishment for those who violate rights, and provide for the defense of the nation.  

 Thats about it.  It should never involve itself in trying to determine the flow of goods and services for nothing can plan out the ever changing demands of billions of people.  Thats the beauty of capitalism - its a distributive system where the only things you need to worry about are the things you naturally would concern yourself with.  All the other concerns are filled in by others naturally concerning themselves.  That is the only way that billions of transactions and decisions a day can be processed and weighed and reacted to in a timely manner.

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I agree with the majority of this, but there are other things government needs to provide for as well. There are things that would not be profitable for a corporation to oversee that the government needs to concern itself with.

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I believe those things are the purview of charity and not any organization who posses a monopoly on the use of force.  There used to be many more local society and charitable organizations before people felt that "it would all be handled by the government" and thats a shame as we really lost a lot of our sense of community as a result.

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Post edited at 7:01 pm on July 7, 2008 by woodbridgeguy1

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first step to nazisum

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he prolly meant fascism.

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I can't believe that in this day and age people are still that ignorant. We saw the results of small government in a little thing called the GREAT DEPRESSION. The bottom line is that government involvement works, and if Mr. Wasp has ever watched a second of business news in his life then he will know that the recent actions of the US Federal Reserve and the US government are staving off what could potentially be a very lengthy recession. I live in Canada, where we have substantially more safety nets than in the USA i.e. universal health care, and, not to sound too arrogant, but is it any surprise that we consistently rank higher than the USA as one of the best countries in the world to live? Big government works, because at the end of the day there will always be people in society who cannot take care of themselves and it is our duty as a moral and compassionate society to help those less fortunate. People who think that poor people are simply lazy are downright ignorant. I volunteer many hours in a food bank and I can attest to the fact that many poor people are not lazy, they are suppressed and taken advantage of by the big businesses that Mr. Wasp so seems to love. Well guess what, big business doesn't care for the average person, they care about one thing and one thing only: their stockholders. Big government works, and the Great Depression proved that small government does not.

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Hoo boy, here we go again.

The Great Depression was caused by too much government, the Federal Reserve heads admit that the Fed itself caused the GD by restricting the flow of money by 1/3rd over the course of four years.  Don't take my word for it, take Ben Bernanke's word the current head of the Fed, or take Alan Greenspan's word that he is the reason we had our housing market collapse.

It must be nice parroting things you've heard but that you know absolutely nothing about and of course you claim its the ignorance of others.

Bernanke's speech admitting the Fed caused the GD:
http://www.federalreserve.gov/boardDocs/Speeches/2003/20031024/default.htm

Alan Greenspan admitting he caused the housing collapse:
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/b48da02a-6479-11dc-90ea-0000779fd2ac.html?nclick_check=1

Notice I bring facts to the table.  I'll await the presentation of yours.

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yeah well if you already rich and white and in power then SURE you want to stay there and push everybody below and make sure they stay below.

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So long as we haver an equitable legal system and capitalism no one can "push" another below.  However not all people will rise at the same rate - but all people over time will rise.

welfare has problems but welfare can help some ppl who have real trouble. I think they shouldn't have welfare for ppl on drugs becasue then ppl get almost rewarded to act stupid. but they should have welfare for families and for ppl on disability and for mothers that have kids and the dad took off and they got no help.

the best way to do that is to have a system to help the ppl have money to get back on track and NOT punish them when they work (like the system does sometimes). They shouldn't make it so ppl are cut off money when they get a job. they should make it so things are proportional.  

Like ppl who earn money and get back to work should get other types of help (like vouchers to get free classes in English or in some trade) instead of having their money cut off. because when they cut off the funds when ppl work then it defeats the purpose of the system.  

You think about how things were for ppl bakc in the 19 century in england and the us and how poor ppl just died off and never got out of poverty and hunger. Those ppl did not rise out of that.

Post edited at 11:04 pm on July 7, 2008 by jakelong

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Say that the worst person in a system is rated at 1 and the best is rated at 10.  Now say the next generation the worst is rated at 3 and the best is rated at 25.  The best surely gained more than the worst but the point is the worst is still better off.  We can either have a system where all of us are at 3 or 4 and stay there or we can have a system where the rising tide raises all boats.

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No but their children had a better life, and their children after them because the economy got better.

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We can either have a system where all of us are at 3 or 4 and stay there or we can have a system where the rising tide raises all boats.

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the thing is the difference between richest and poorest in the US is much bigger than 1 to 10 its more like 1 to 100.

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"Everyone helpin' each other whenever they can we makin' it happen, from nothin' to somethin'
That's how we be survivin'" - BEP