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Quote: from The Raven at 11:57 pm on July 4, 2008

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Facts, josphat? I'd love to see your sources, for each of those 'facts'. I'm sure the rest of us would too.  

 As far as I am concerned, it is just another piece of idiotic rambling posted by someone who is uncomfortable in his own skin. It doesn't fit any of the homosexuals or bisexuals I know (which is most of the people I know). And you have not even bothered to try to back up any of your claims with anything. You'd think, what with them being so factual, you'd do that at the very least.

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One cannot gain any real conversation let alone hope to change another's mind through attacking the person.

One also becomes ineffective at changing the minds of any 3rd parties when one attacks for it engenders sympathy for the one being attacked.

Your tactics seem opposed to your goal.  I suggest changing your tactics.

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Chill out, Doc. All I asked for was a few sources for that complete failure of an essay on homophobia.
There's no need to attack my 'tactics' as you call them. I'm not trying to change anyone's minds. One person's mind doesn't matter two shits to me, and has no effect on me. Especially on a teen support forum.

You are taking this more seriously than it's worth.

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Quote: from The Raven at 11:57 pm on July 4, 2008

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Facts, josphat? I'd love to see your sources, for each of those 'facts'. I'm sure the rest of us would too.  

 As far as I am concerned, it is just another piece of idiotic rambling posted by someone who is uncomfortable in his own skin. It doesn't fit any of the homosexuals or bisexuals I know (which is most of the people I know). And you have not even bothered to try to back up any of your claims with anything. You'd think, what with them being so factual, you'd do that at the very least.

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One cannot gain any real conversation let alone hope to change another's mind through attacking the person.

One also becomes ineffective at changing the minds of any 3rd parties when one attacks for it engenders sympathy for the one being attacked.

Your tactics seem opposed to your goal. I suggest changing your tactics.

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This is supporting my opinion in many ways. Elm is a person who tried to change people's minds through well though out responses and not bashing others. Raven, on the other hand, is doing exactly what i said: bashing others for expressing their views.

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Quote: from Elm at 3:00 am on July 5, 2008

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Quote: from The Raven at 11:57 pm on July 4, 2008

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Facts, josphat? I'd love to see your sources, for each of those 'facts'. I'm sure the rest of us would too.  

  As far as I am concerned, it is just another piece of idiotic rambling posted by someone who is uncomfortable in his own skin. It doesn't fit any of the homosexuals or bisexuals I know (which is most of the people I know). And you have not even bothered to try to back up any of your claims with anything. You'd think, what with them being so factual, you'd do that at the very least.

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 One cannot gain any real conversation let alone hope to change another's mind through attacking the person.  

 One also becomes ineffective at changing the minds of any 3rd parties when one attacks for it engenders sympathy for the one being attacked.  

 Your tactics seem opposed to your goal.  I suggest changing your tactics.

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This is supporting my opinion in many ways. Elm is a person who tried to change people's minds through well though out responses and not bashing others. Raven, on the other hand, is doing exactly what i said: bashing others for expressing their views.

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Regardless, you're still avoiding my question, which is doing nothing but proving my point that you have no idea what you're talking about.
If you can't answer a simple question, then just say so. Don't dodge around it like a damn grasshopper and make yourself look even more ridiculous.

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I am going to have to agree with PinkLotus. I am disgusted by the things that homosexuals do. I do not support gay marriage, nor do i support them being allowed to adopt. But if I had a ballot in front of me to allow gay marriage, I would surely sign it because I believe that they can do what they want. They do not need my support.

Another thing is that sexuality is a choice. It is by no means genetically inscribed in you. When you are young, you make your own decision on who to like. Some may only decide this when they are older, also.  

I also do not support any type of sex that GLB take part in. Sex was not made to be a pleasurable thing. It was made for reproduction. Although it is pleasurable, it is not only for that. This is not supported by anybody in society today because now you see people losing their virginity when they are extremely young just because they want to.  

The last thing I would like to address is that GLB people are normally more vicious. They assult people over their views, which they have every right to express. The reason you don't see the GLB community bashing straight weddings is because, if you think about it, if it weren't for a straight couple, they wouldn't have been born in the first place. People may argue this somehow, but think about it. To have been born, a male and a female had to be involved somehow.  

They have their own rights. But they do not support the same rights for straights that they are fighting for themselves. The fight for their freedom to express themselves. Yet, they bash the way that straights express themselves. In my opinion, this is very hypocritical. Yet, I am sure this post will be bashed just as much becuase of what I have just said. I think it's sad. They fight for themselves and others like them. They want equal rights. Why don't they suport the same equal rights whenever they are talking to others?

For anyone who took the time to read my post, whether you agree with all, none, or some, I have the same rights as homosexuals to express myself. I am expressing my views.

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You say that you're disgusted by homosexuals, but you also think that sexuality is a choice. That just doesn't make any sense to me. If it was more socially acceptable to be gay, would you chose that instead? If you find homosexuals disgusting then it seems to me that being straight was not your choice. Sexuality is not a choice. A lot of homosexuals have a really hard time with accepting who they are and would love to chose to be straight. That's just not the way things work.

As for you saying that you know that sexuality is not influenced by DNA, what research have you done? What kind of studies have you, yourself conducted? What were the circumstances and results of these studies? Don't be afraid to get very technical with me here. See, I can't say that it is or is not a biological thing because I haven't done anything to find out. I can, however, tell you that I know for a fact that it's not a choice. I had a very hard time with accepting that I was gay. If I'd had the choice back then, I'd have been straight. It would have saved me a hell of a lot of trouble. At this point in time, I'm proud of who I am, so I wouldn't change a thing. I can put myself out there and deal with any disapproval or rejection that I get because that's who I am. A few years ago though, I wasn't that way. I'd have given anything to be straight. I tried for a long time to pretend that I was. I tried to CHOSE to be straight, but I couldn't. That's not something that you get a choice in.

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Why would anyone choose to be homosexual with all the hate in the world for them from people like you? think about it and think with your brain, not your bible.

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Hey look a bigot.

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I don't go out and protest, I don't go out and voice it, I keep it to myself. But when I notice someone say something that is against the GLBT community everyone jumps on him/her on this site and says, "Don't be such a homophobe!", to tell you the truth, it bothers me a lot. That person has every right to not accept the GLBT community just like GLBT supposedly has the right to marry. I just don't like how some people stifle other people on this site.

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this I can agree with

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Quote: from boombabyy at 2:44 am on July 5, 2008

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im against homosexuality

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Even though it occurs naturally in the animal kingdom? You're a keeper.

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My facts are from many sources, such as websites, the news, and real people I know.

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• Another thing is that sexuality is a choice. When you are young, you make your own decision on who to like.
  
• Sex was not made to be a pleasurable thing.
  
• GLB people are normally more vicious.
  
• They have their own rights. But they do not support the same rights for straights that they are fighting for themselves.
  

I'd like to see the source for the first one. I can't remember choosing who I would end up being attracted to at any point in my life, and I doubt you did either. Unless, of course you were born with a predisposition towards liking BOTH sexes, and only chose to date guys. So what is it, are you bisexual or something? That must be it.

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My point is that many homosexuals will fight for their own "rights," yet they will bash someone for having those same rights.

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Unless you're just talking about freedom of speech. You talk shit about us and get pissy when we are offended. I don't get your logic. "I hate you! But don't you dare talk back it just proves my point".

We're going to fucking defend ourselves. That's kind of the way ALL civil rights movements get started. There is an injustice and people make movements to fix it. Sorry if you're the one on the opposing side, but whether you like it or not we are in the middle of a civil rights movement. It's happening. You're gonna look back and see yourself as the person who said NO to gay marriage when history will look at you with scorn. A more liberal future is going to laugh at you.

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I am not trying to be stereotypical, as I know that not all homosexuals are like this. However, many that I do know will fight agains people for expressing their views; the same thing that they are trying to do. Express their views.

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You're right. Some GLBT are pussies and won't defend themselves. They'll just be content with sitting around while the government classifies them as sub-citizens. You attack us all you want. Just don't get pissy when people defend themselves, and their lifestyle.

So fuck you, you ignorant bitch. There's freedom of speech for you.

Post edited at 8:12 am on July 5, 2008 by Micus

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I don't believe homosexuality is genetic, or they are born that way, or any of that. I do believe it is a lifestyle choice.

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I believe most GLB are the way they are for social rebellion or to be accepted by a specific social group.

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Then you are an idiot.

I bid you good day.

Post edited at 9:07 am on July 5, 2008 by Baron Samedi

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Quoth the raven, you just lost the game.

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I do not believe that homosexual lust is the same as heterosexual love.

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You are a horrible person, however. The majority of people who have replied to this have said that because it's true. You say you don't care about science. You do care about science, otherwise you wouldn't be on the internet. It's just that you like to pick and choose what science to accept and what to ignore. This is a very common approach used by such people as those in the Nazi party and slave traders buying and selling black "people". After all, science flip flops over everything, right? Blacks have only been people for a few hundred years.

Whether or not you voice your opinions is irrelevant, a diseased mind is a diseased mind. Anyone who starts picking and choosing what they accept as reality is on a slippery slope. I just pray that you snap out of it before you start denying that blacks are human.

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