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Persecuting an atheist? I thought it was a Jew thing...  |
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Replies: 56 Last Post July 15, 2008 10:28am by Guardian
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Soren Kierkegaard
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Quote: from Guardian at 3:58 pm on July 12, 2008
I'm sorry, but you're a fucking idiot. READ THE POST RIGHT. The title of the topic was merely about how Jews are often persecuted, whereas Atheist persecution is uncommon. You interpreted wrong. I never said I was suffering abuse comparable to molestation. Again, something you interpreted wrong. I was making examples of people whose problems are 'not severe' enough to care about being ignored. Not me. How the fuck do you mess that up? I'm not having a 'traumatic past' contest with you. Just because your problems are greater than mine, doesn't make mine moot. Grow the fuck up and look around. Peoples lives suck, but life isn't about 'topping' someone else's abuses. It's about helping people. You're seeing what you want to see in me. You don't know me, so it's funny how you knew my motivations behind saying what I did. "Trying to be cute and belittle her" Sometimes a joke is just a joke. The reason I said that is because I lost my patience with you. You assume and put words in my mouth. And if I may, you haven't tried to help with my situation once. 
Actually, I already have grown up. You're the one whining about being persecuted. Not I. As for you losing patience with me? I couldn't care less. I had absolutely no respect for you since your OP, and you've come across as an immature, whining girl incapable of accepting responsibility for any of your previous choices or inability to use TACT. As for my inability to interpret your precise meaning. I only have precisely the amount of knowledge that you've been willing to part with, which by your own admission is hardly anything at all to base a proper judgment from. That is your fault, not mine. I am certainly not omniscient the last time I checked, nor have you been at all clear besides trying to compare your persecution with common physical-emotional abuse. That was your decision, not mine. I refuted it since myfirst post, and continue to do so even to this point. As for what all I have accomplished in my life compared to you, I have absolutely nothing that I need to do so. I got over my past and continue to make something of myself with each and every passing day. Unfortunately, you're the one caught up with comparing your situation with persecution, which by a vast majority of everyone else on this thread, they'd humbly disagree with the persecution and that you were commonly being a jackass with both your ignorance and inability to accept any responsibility for previous actions. You continue to point the finger at your mother as though you shouldn't be at fault for anything at all whatsoever, and desire for a form of sympathy from people who have gone through far worse than you noticeably. Yes, a joke is sometimes just a joke, but that doesn't mean that people cannot be affected or offended by what you choose to say or not, boy. And if the situation were more serious than what you're willing to disclose, you've had ample time to bring more information as to base a proper judgment otherwise. However, you choose not to disclose and casually dismiss people who call you out on your arrogance. You still disgust me, and I have washed my hands both of you and your ridiculous thread.
------- What are your Top 10 Favorite Movies? Goofy rocks my face off!
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3eyes
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tell her what you believe but you're still her daughter and u have obviusly accepted her being christain so she should try and do the same
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1:29 am on July 13, 2008 | Joined May 2008 | 17 Days Active Join to learn more about 3eyes England, United Kingdom | Questioning Female | 588 Posts | 808 Points
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exceedinglyrare
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Quote: from Guardian at 4:19 am on July 12, 2008
Quote: from exceedinglyrare at 1:51 pm on July 11, 2008
Quote: from Guardian at 10:18 am on July 11, 2008
I don't care what your child does, you NEVER lose your cool and tell them things like that. I know what I said was stupid, and that even though it was a joke it was insulting, but she (as an adult) should have handled it better. Resorting to saying petty hurtful things like "I have no respect for you," and "You're disgusting," are childish, and a textbook example of bad parenting. 
Why not? You were being entirely disrespectful and disgusting; she had every right to say that she did not respect you and was disgusted with you in that moment. Perhaps she could've handled it better, but she is the adult and you are the child. If you want to be treated with respect and not insulted, treat your mother with respect and don't insult the things she holds dear. You are not a victim of persecution here, kid. Furthermore, let's look up what persecution actually is, just so you get an idea:
per·se·cute Audio Help /ˈpɜrsɪˌkyut/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[pur-si-kyoot] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation -verb (used with object), -cut·ed, -cut·ing. 1. to pursue with harassing or oppressive treatment, esp. because of religion, race, or beliefs; harass persistently. 2. to annoy or trouble persistently. 
Do you see anything in there saying, "to be called out on being an asshole?" Didn't think so. Grow the fuck up and get over yourself, or else go talk to people who are actually persecuted for their beliefs. 
Then we have different ideas of how parents should behave. Obviously they both work, and we're not going to change our beliefs, so that part can be put aside as 'unchangeable difference of opinion.' If you read my last post you'll see that this has been going on for awhile, and in fact fits the definition of persecution perfectly. Also, let's not insult each others intelligence here, we're obviously not stupid enough to not know simple vocab terms like 'persecution' and 'tact.' and although I'm sure you feel like a badass when you copy and paste the definition, save both yourself and me the time and don't. It really pisses me off when people say things like that. Obviously there are people who have been more persecuted than me, and I understand that. That doesn't make me being persecuted right. Just because someone has it worse off than you doesn't mean your problem is unimportant and/or nonexistent. It doesn't mean you don't have the right to seek out a solution to that problem or vent about it through a teen support forum. I'd hate to live in your world, where conversations could go like this: "My dad molests me," "Hey kid, quit bitching and get over yourself, there was a man on the news who got molested by both parents, and his problems outweigh yours, so yours don't exist." " I feel like killing myself," "Psh, quit whining, the Jews were victims of mass exterminations. Your problems aren't anything like theirs, so grow up." 
Are you thick? YOU WERE CALLED OUT FOR BEING AN ASSHOLE. THAT IS NOT BEING PERSECUTED. SHE WOULD HAVE CALLED YOU OUT FOR BEING AN ASSHOLE EVEN IF YOU HAD THE SAME BELIEFS AND STILL BEEN CORRECT IN DOING SO. It is not a question of being "less" persecuted than some people. You are not being persecuted. You are an angsty and probably stupid teenager who is throwing a tantrum because Mummy won't let him say what he pleases. If you think that's persecution, refer back to the fucking definition and grow the fuck up. Also, this:
Your baiting of your mother was stupid, what your mother did in response was stupid, the show you were watching was stupid, the whole thing just reeks of stupidity. 
------- Let yourself be enchanted, You just might break through To ever ever after
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GI
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Just...give her time. It will take a while to adjust.
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9:14 am on July 13, 2008 | Joined May 2008 | 15 Days Active Join to learn more about GI England, United Kingdom | Questioning Female | 384 Posts | 571 Points
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( Guardian )
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Quote: from exceedinglyrare at 9:07 am on July 13, 2008
Quote: from Guardian at 4:19 am on July 12, 2008
Quote: from exceedinglyrare at 1:51 pm on July 11, 2008
Quote: from Guardian at 10:18 am on July 11, 2008
I don't care what your child does, you NEVER lose your cool and tell them things like that. I know what I said was stupid, and that even though it was a joke it was insulting, but she (as an adult) should have handled it better. Resorting to saying petty hurtful things like "I have no respect for you," and "You're disgusting," are childish, and a textbook example of bad parenting. 
Why not? You were being entirely disrespectful and disgusting; she had every right to say that she did not respect you and was disgusted with you in that moment. Perhaps she could've handled it better, but she is the adult and you are the child. If you want to be treated with respect and not insulted, treat your mother with respect and don't insult the things she holds dear. You are not a victim of persecution here, kid. Furthermore, let's look up what persecution actually is, just so you get an idea:
per·se·cute Audio Help /ˈpɜrsɪˌkyut/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[pur-si-kyoot] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation -verb (used with object), -cut·ed, -cut·ing. 1. to pursue with harassing or oppressive treatment, esp. because of religion, race, or beliefs; harass persistently. 2. to annoy or trouble persistently. 
Do you see anything in there saying, "to be called out on being an asshole?" Didn't think so. Grow the fuck up and get over yourself, or else go talk to people who are actually persecuted for their beliefs. 
Then we have different ideas of how parents should behave. Obviously they both work, and we're not going to change our beliefs, so that part can be put aside as 'unchangeable difference of opinion.' If you read my last post you'll see that this has been going on for awhile, and in fact fits the definition of persecution perfectly. Also, let's not insult each others intelligence here, we're obviously not stupid enough to not know simple vocab terms like 'persecution' and 'tact.' and although I'm sure you feel like a badass when you copy and paste the definition, save both yourself and me the time and don't. It really pisses me off when people say things like that. Obviously there are people who have been more persecuted than me, and I understand that. That doesn't make me being persecuted right. Just because someone has it worse off than you doesn't mean your problem is unimportant and/or nonexistent. It doesn't mean you don't have the right to seek out a solution to that problem or vent about it through a teen support forum. I'd hate to live in your world, where conversations could go like this: "My dad molests me," "Hey kid, quit bitching and get over yourself, there was a man on the news who got molested by both parents, and his problems outweigh yours, so yours don't exist." " I feel like killing myself," "Psh, quit whining, the Jews were victims of mass exterminations. Your problems aren't anything like theirs, so grow up." 
Are you thick? YOU WERE CALLED OUT FOR BEING AN ASSHOLE. THAT IS NOT BEING PERSECUTED. SHE WOULD HAVE CALLED YOU OUT FOR BEING AN ASSHOLE EVEN IF YOU HAD THE SAME BELIEFS AND STILL BEEN CORRECT IN DOING SO. It is not a question of being "less" persecuted than some people. You are not being persecuted. You are an angsty and probably stupid teenager who is throwing a tantrum because Mummy won't let him say what he pleases. If you think that's persecution, refer back to the fucking definition and grow the fuck up. Also, this:
Your baiting of your mother was stupid, what your mother did in response was stupid, the show you were watching was stupid, the whole thing just reeks of stupidity. 

Read the rest of this read, particularly the part where I said there's more to it than that, i just didn't feel like listing out for all o LW to see. I understand that this one situation is stupid, but I thought it was sufficient to see some response from LW. Instead, I get 2 people pointing out things I know, and freaking out about it. I'm not an idiot, and neither are you. So stop acting like it.
------- I'm a boy and you're a girl, what else is there in the world? I can make you smile I can make you laugh, what else is there in the world
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exceedinglyrare
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I'm not the one claiming to be persecuted because my mother doesn't like it when I'm an asshole. If there's more to it that would make you seem actually persecuted, share it.
------- Let yourself be enchanted, You just might break through To ever ever after
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If you don't want to piss people off, don't claim that you're persecuted when there are people out there dying for their beliefs.
------- Let yourself be enchanted, You just might break through To ever ever after
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