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Persecuting an atheist? I thought it was a Jew thing...   |
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 Replies: 56 — Last Post July 15 10:28am by Guardian
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| Just avoid it |
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25% |
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| Convince her |
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| Some other option (please elaborate) |
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15% |
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| A vague mix of both |
10 |
22% |
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| 1/4 |
15 |
34% |
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Shaknbake
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Avoid it. It obviously bothers her, so don't be a prick and pursue it.
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exceedinglyrare
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I hope you don't think that your mother coming down on you for being rude was actually persecution.
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marty euman
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idk wats wrong with us atheists
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Prince o palities
Racism or dark humor?
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When it comes to children under 18 making radical breaks from their parents' ideologies (and yes this is a radical break, even if you aren't church-going), I recommend a policy of honesty mixed with appeasement. You shouldn't lie about who you are or what you believe, but rubbing her face in it would be tantamount to spitting on her entire upbringing (which explains the comment about raising you). Don't avoid it, in that you shouldn't try to deflect if she wants to talk to you about it or if it comes up naturally, but also don't try to convince her and don't deliberately make a spectacle of your beliefs.
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cicerom16
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Quote: from Guardian at 10:06 pm on July 9, 2008
 Quote: from Cougar826 at 9:57 pm on July 9, 2008
don't make her go 2 hell too!! just don't convince her, lol 
I wasn't going to try to convert her, and I find it disturbing a God who's message is forgiveness will condemn me to hell for questioning him.
Read John 3:16-18:
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God." Then there's Romans 6:23:
"For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."
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( Guardian )
Wealthy Hobo
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Quote: from Soren Kierkegaard at 9:33 am on July 10, 2008
Quote: from Baron Samedi at 9:57 pm on July 9, 2008
Just avoid it. Anything else is an exercise in maddening the already pointless.
However, even in jest, there is an ideal referred to as tact that he either knows absolutely nothing about, or he knowingly caused the stir by belittling his mother's belief system beforehand? I have yet to see how this ties in with an atheist being persecuted. All I've read is an atheist being cheeky, then not quite understanding when his mother doesn't return the joke by belittling her own faith with him. Instead, she rightfully takes it as a personal attack, which in an essence that's both what you believe and stated yourself, and returned the favor by stating how generally disgusted she was with you afterward. You deserved it.
It was a joke, and not something to be taken seriously. Even if I was being serious, she doesn't have the right to tell me I disgust her and that she has no respect for me. This has nothing to do with tact. Later she told me she never wanted to hear me say I was an atheist again (which is what bugged her in the first place). I am usually very accepting of others beliefs, religious or otherwise. However, I do slip up in jest occasionally. I wouldn't say I deserved it.
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( Guardian )
Wealthy Hobo
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Quote: from cicerom16 at 8:59 am on July 10, 2008
Quote: from Guardian at 10:06 pm on July 9, 2008
Quote: from Cougar826 at 9:57 pm on July 9, 2008
don't make her go 2 hell too!! just don't convince her, lol
I wasn't going to try to convert her, and I find it disturbing a God who's message is forgiveness will condemn me to hell for questioning him.
Read John 3:16-18:
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God." Then there's Romans 6:23:
"For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."
...I read the Bible too. What I'm saying is, I can't believe in a God who discriminates. If he knows everything, he should acknowledge there are a lot of reasons to not believe in him. eg someone who grows never having heard of Christianity and being brought up to worship the sun not believing in something he didn't know existed. I also can't believe that anything we can do is worth being condemn to hell for ETERNITY. That's stupid. So I steal, cheat on my wife, am gay, killed someone. That doesn't merit burning in hell forever. And I can't believe in the Bible. At all.
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Soren Kierkegaard
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Quote: from Guardian at 11:19 pm on July 10, 2008
Quote: from Soren Kierkegaard at 9:33 am on July 10, 2008
Quote: from Baron Samedi at 9:57 pm on July 9, 2008
Just avoid it. Anything else is an exercise in maddening the already pointless.
However, even in jest, there is an ideal referred to as tact that he either knows absolutely nothing about, or he knowingly caused the stir by belittling his mother's belief system beforehand? I have yet to see how this ties in with an atheist being persecuted. All I've read is an atheist being cheeky, then not quite understanding when his mother doesn't return the joke by belittling her own faith with him. Instead, she rightfully takes it as a personal attack, which in an essence that's both what you believe and stated yourself, and returned the favor by stating how generally disgusted she was with you afterward. You deserved it.
It was a joke, and not something to be taken seriously. Even if I was being serious, she doesn't have the right to tell me I disgust her and that she has no respect for me. This has nothing to do with tact. Later she told me she never wanted to hear me say I was an atheist again (which is what bugged her in the first place). I am usually very accepting of others beliefs, religious or otherwise. However, I do slip up in jest occasionally. I wouldn't say I deserved it.
If you stated it specifically the way you brought it up over the forum, you deserved specifically what she told you afterward. She has no control over what you personally believe, but once you decide to flaunt your atheistic notions to your knowingly theistic mother in a condescending manner regardless of intention, you deserve repercussions.
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Wealthy Hobo
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Quote: from Soren Kierkegaard at 11:35 pm on July 10, 2008
Quote: from Guardian at 11:19 pm on July 10, 2008
Quote: from Soren Kierkegaard at 9:33 am on July 10, 2008
Quote: from Baron Samedi at 9:57 pm on July 9, 2008
Just avoid it. Anything else is an exercise in maddening the already pointless.
However, even in jest, there is an ideal referred to as tact that he either knows absolutely nothing about, or he knowingly caused the stir by belittling his mother's belief system beforehand? I have yet to see how this ties in with an atheist being persecuted. All I've read is an atheist being cheeky, then not quite understanding when his mother doesn't return the joke by belittling her own faith with him. Instead, she rightfully takes it as a personal attack, which in an essence that's both what you believe and stated yourself, and returned the favor by stating how generally disgusted she was with you afterward. You deserved it.
It was a joke, and not something to be taken seriously. Even if I was being serious, she doesn't have the right to tell me I disgust her and that she has no respect for me. This has nothing to do with tact. Later she told me she never wanted to hear me say I was an atheist again (which is what bugged her in the first place). I am usually very accepting of others beliefs, religious or otherwise. However, I do slip up in jest occasionally. I wouldn't say I deserved it.
If you stated it specifically the way you brought it up over the forum, you deserved specifically what she told you afterward. She has no control over what you personally believe, but once you decide to flaunt your atheistic notions to your knowingly theistic mother in a condescending manner regardless of intention, you deserve repercussions.
...Please sir, never have children.
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Running on Bravado
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exceedinglyrare
Delicate Thing
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Quote: from Guardian at 3:39 am on July 11, 2008
Quote: from Soren Kierkegaard at 11:35 pm on July 10, 2008
Quote: from Guardian at 11:19 pm on July 10, 2008
Quote: from Soren Kierkegaard at 9:33 am on July 10, 2008
Quote: from Baron Samedi at 9:57 pm on July 9, 2008
Just avoid it. Anything else is an exercise in maddening the already pointless.
However, even in jest, there is an ideal referred to as tact that he either knows absolutely nothing about, or he knowingly caused the stir by belittling his mother's belief system beforehand? I have yet to see how this ties in with an atheist being persecuted. All I've read is an atheist being cheeky, then not quite understanding when his mother doesn't return the joke by belittling her own faith with him. Instead, she rightfully takes it as a personal attack, which in an essence that's both what you believe and stated yourself, and returned the favor by stating how generally disgusted she was with you afterward. You deserved it.
It was a joke, and not something to be taken seriously. Even if I was being serious, she doesn't have the right to tell me I disgust her and that she has no respect for me. This has nothing to do with tact. Later she told me she never wanted to hear me say I was an atheist again (which is what bugged her in the first place). I am usually very accepting of others beliefs, religious or otherwise. However, I do slip up in jest occasionally. I wouldn't say I deserved it.
If you stated it specifically the way you brought it up over the forum, you deserved specifically what she told you afterward. She has no control over what you personally believe, but once you decide to flaunt your atheistic notions to your knowingly theistic mother in a condescending manner regardless of intention, you deserve repercussions.
...Please sir, never have children.
Actually, I daresay he's more fit to be a father than you; he understands that being a jerk results in consequences, while you seem to think that everyone should bow down to your assholeishness without question.
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Let yourself be enchanted,
You just might break through
To ever ever after
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