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Sexual Orientation vs. Affectional Orientation
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I'm sure everyone knows what sexual orientation is - being sexually attracted to a person (ie. they want to fuck them or kiss them or do stuff to them) but this has nothing to do with romantic love.  Sexual orientation, in my opinion, is more carnal than affectional orientation.  Someone who considers themselves to be a homosexual since they like to fuck members of the same sex, but they could also be able to feel affectional orientation for someone of the opposite sex - because the relationship would be more than just simple fucking.  They'd also probably end up marrying someone of a different sex, as well as dating.

Affectional orientation is when a person is in love with a person yet they are not physically attracted to them in a sexual way.  Still, they sometimes have sex but it's not a big priority of theres.  They're more about romance and an intimate, requited love.

What do you guys think about this?  I think that the two words are indeed different in a way, personally.  Just another way to look at sexual orientation in a proper environment.

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I agree. I say I'm gay but there's no doubt that I could fall in love with a guy. I wouldn't want to sleep with him but it could totally happen. Feelings are complicated things. Boy, girl, whatever - they can happen with anybody.

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And so I guess that's pansexuality and panaffectionality, then.  I can imagine loving anyone, well I could if I didn't already have a love interest.

I guess I'm lucky being bisexual, the best of both worlds or some junk.

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I'm glad you brought this up. I like this topic, heh.

I think it can be even more ambiguous than just dividing it that way though. I see sexual and "affectional" orientation as 2 dimensions that fluidly mix in any relationship. In any of the categories of "straight/gay/bi", there would be different a spectrum of different sexual/affectional feelings.

But I like how you've divided it as it allows me to make observations like "my affectional orientation is bi, while my sexual orientation is straight".


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Quote: from meghank91 at 11:09 pm on July 7, 2008

I agree. I say I'm gay but there's no doubt that I could fall in love with a guy. I wouldn't want to sleep with him but it could totally happen. Feelings are complicated things. Boy, girl, whatever - they can happen with anybody.

Agreed. I don't love men, I just have sex with them. I can't love a man, methinks, so thus a relationship isn't possible.

As for women, I am very emotionally attracted to them, almost to a fault. But again, a relationship isn't possible because I'm not physically attracted to them. Not just for sexual reasons, but that is a factor.

I'm doomed to the single life. Not that I'm very sad about it.

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Quote: from FurryPanther at 10:15 pm on July 7, 2008

Quote: from meghank91 at 11:09 pm on July 7, 2008

I agree. I say I'm gay but there's no doubt that I could fall in love with a guy. I wouldn't want to sleep with him but it could totally happen. Feelings are complicated things. Boy, girl, whatever - they can happen with anybody.

Agreed. I don't love men, I just have sex with them. I can't love a man, methinks, so thus a relationship isn't possible.

As for women, I am very emotionally attracted to them, almost to a fault. But again, a relationship isn't possible because I'm not physically attracted to them. Not just for sexual reasons, but that is a factor.

I'm doomed to the single life. Not that I'm very sad about it.

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Well maybe you'll find someone who is at the intersection.

I can't really imagine a purely emotional relationship that is without a hint of sexuality. I think sexuality (without dissecting away "affectional orientation" and whatnot) always includes some emotional aspects. But maybe that's just me.


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Quote: from tell me again at 10:13 pm on July 7, 2008

I think it can be even more ambiguous than just dividing it that way though. I see sexual and "affectional" orientation as 2 dimensions that fluidly mix in any relationship.

So would you say that there could possibly be more dimensions in a relationship?  If there are I'm pretty interested in learning what they are, this is interesting; I like your look on things.

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Quote: from Avenue D at 9:27 am on July 8, 2008

So would you say that there could possibly be more dimensions in a relationship?  If there are I'm pretty interested in learning what they are, this is interesting; I like your look on things.

I would think so. That is way too two-dimensional to fully cover the complexity of a relationship.


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Eh, I'm not incredibly interested. People bore me too quickly.

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Quote: from FurryPanther at 10:18 am on July 8, 2008

Quote: from Avenue D at 9:27 am on July 8, 2008

So would you say that there could possibly be more dimensions in a relationship? If there are I'm pretty interested in learning what they are, this is interesting; I like your look on things.

I would think so. That is way too two-dimensional to fully cover the complexity of a relationship.


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Eh, I'm not incredibly interested. People bore me too quickly.

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So you don't intend to have a lifetime partnership, either with a boy or a girl, ever?  A bachelor for life, in some sorts?  That's kind of sad, but if it makes you happy though, then go for it.

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Quote: from Avenue D at 3:48 pm on July 8, 2008

So you don't intend to have a lifetime partnership, either with a boy or a girl, ever?  A bachelor for life, in some sorts?  That's kind of sad, but if it makes you happy though, then go for it.

Not at all. I'm not a relationship person.

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I think they're completely different.
There's a difference between what your body wants and what your mind wants in most things, yeah? Why not orientations as well? Love takes place in the mind, and while the mind can influence attraction to a certain degree, it seems that physical attraction is mostly chemical.
The mind and the body... these people don't talk to each other, metaphorically speaking, and I think in 100% straight and 100% gay people whose affectional and sexual orientations coincide, that that's just good luck for them. Nothing more. It's bound to have variance.

Personally, though I identify as gay in layman's terms, the truth is probably closer to the fact that I only attach emotionally to men, but am technically bisexual. I'd have no problem fucking a woman, but I could never fall in love with one, on the simple grounds that I can't love without trusting someone, and I can't trust women.


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I think for most people, their sexual and affectional orientations match. So, while they like to fuck a certain sex, they also form loving relationships with that same gender.

I don't think a person could have a truly fulfilling relationship with someone they don't have both attractions for. A person can be in love with a friend, but that's not a relationship.

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If this deals with bi-sexuality, I think that many who claim they're bi-sexual are not truly bi. They lean to one gender but are affectionate to both, one side is stronger than the other.

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Quote: from runthespread at 5:09 pm on July 19, 2008

If this deals with bi-sexuality, I think that many who claim they're bi-sexual are not truly bi. They lean to one gender but are affectionate to both, one side is stronger than the other.

Wait, wouldn't that mean they are bisexual?  They may lean towards one gender in a sexual sense but also can lean towards another gender sexually.  Right?  Or did I not get what you were saying?

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Quote: from Avenue D at 10:38 am on July 26, 2008

Quote: from runthespread at 5:09 pm on July 19, 2008

If this deals with bi-sexuality, I think that many who claim they're bi-sexual are not truly bi. They lean to one gender but are affectionate to both, one side is stronger than the other.

Wait, wouldn't that mean they are bisexual? They may lean towards one gender in a sexual sense but also can lean towards another gender sexually. Right? Or did I not get what you were saying?


I'm not sure how to explain it too well, sorry.

I think that everyone is basically straight, they have a natural preference that is their default. I think some are more open to things with the other gender than others are, so it is more of being self-assured when they end up in those relationships. For example, I'm straight...but if I liked guys as well, it would be because I was open to them and enjoyed it to an extent. I think, however that I would feel more ultimately complete in the long run to stick to females.

So it's more of everyone's either straight or gay, but will act the other because they're more open to it.


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