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it doesn't help.

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Who are you to say it doesn't help, a medical professional?

Whoops, looks like you just erred. Either professional opinions are necessary and you have no room to speak about another's mental health, or professional opinions are not necessary and we can all speculate.

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it doesn't help.

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 Who are you to say it doesn't help, a medical professional?  

Whoops, looks like you just erred. Either professional opinions are necessary and you have no room to speak about another's mental health, or professional opinions are not necessary and we can all speculate.

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Post edited at 3:38 pm on July 3, 2008 by californication

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it doesn't help.

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  Who are you to say it doesn't help, a medical professional?  

 Whoops, looks like you just erred. Either professional opinions are necessary and you have no room to speak about another's mental health, or professional opinions are not necessary and we can all speculate.

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Maybe you should stop taking only a line from my response, and reply to it all. Unless you have nothing to say to the rest of it.

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I did reply to the whole thing; that's all you said. Do I really need to clutter everything up by quoting your entire post?

"Even if they diagnose themselves, they still aren't taking meds" (therefore it doesn't help)
"they are still in the same state of mind," (therefore it doesn't help)
"who says that once they diagnose themselves they wont cut or anything?" (if they cut, it obviously didn't help)
"That will probably give more reason for them to do that. If they think they have a disorder, they will just assume they are more fucked up and want to abuse themselves or others." (Therefore, diagnosing oneself doesn't help)
"All diagnosing yourself is is a block to the real world. It doesn't deal seriously with anything, " (doesn't deal seriously with anything = doesn't help)

So quoting all of it was not necessary because it was all saying the same thing, and I did reply to all of it. I don't want to turn this in to a discussion about forum etiquette though, so I won't say any more.

Regardless, you should think about where you stand. If you argue that a professional medical opinion gives more validity to someone's condition then that's fine, but holding this standpoint also comes with admitting that without being a medical professional, your opinion is worth LESS (ie. you cannot say that these kids self-diagnosing themselves does or does not help them cope with their issues).

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it doesn't help.

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   Who are you to say it doesn't help, a medical professional?  

  Whoops, looks like you just erred. Either professional opinions are necessary and you have no room to speak about another's mental health, or professional opinions are not necessary and we can all speculate.

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 Maybe you should stop taking only a line from my response, and reply to it all. Unless you have nothing to say to the rest of it.

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 I did reply to the whole thing; that's all you said. Do I really need to clutter everything up by quoting your entire post?

"Even if they diagnose themselves, they still aren't taking meds" (therefore it doesn't help)
"they are still in the same state of mind," (therefore it doesn't help)
"who says that once they diagnose themselves they wont cut or anything?" (if they cut, it obviously didn't help)
"That will probably give more reason for them to do that. If they think they have a disorder, they will just assume they are more fucked up and want to abuse themselves or others." (Therefore, diagnosing oneself doesn't help)
"All diagnosing yourself is is a block to the real world. It doesn't deal seriously with anything, " (doesn't deal seriously with anything = doesn't help)

So quoting all of it was not necessary because it was all saying the same thing, and I did reply to all of it. I don't want to turn this in to a discussion about forum etiquette though, so I won't say any more.

Regardless, you should think about where you stand. If you argue that a professional medical opinion gives more validity to someone's condition then that's fine, but holding this standpoint also comes with admitting that without being a medical professional, your opinion is worth LESS (ie. you cannot say that these kids self-diagnosing themselves does or does not help them cope with their issues).

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But then again, this is where you are just acting stupid, you can't say that they can.

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All I state is that if you want to make a valid point that people can take seriously, you should be consistent in your position.

If you take either side depending on when it's convenient to you, it shows you haven't thought things through very much and just looks sloppy.

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But then again, this is where you are just acting stupid, you can't say that they can.

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 All I state is that if you want to make a valid point that people can take seriously, you should be consistent in your position.

If you take either side depending on when it's convenient to you, it shows you haven't thought things through very much and just looks sloppy.

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When have I been taking either side?

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Your position, in a nutshell:

"Many people claim they have conditions without actually being diagnosed with these conditions. I, however, have been formally diagnosed. It bothers me that these people go around claiming they have something when they haven't been formally diagnosed because it makes light of a serious issue."

but you also said that "Even if they diagnose themselves ... it doesn't help." In other words, you are 'diagnosing' these people; you are claiming that whatever they are doing "doesn't help" even without knowing for sure. You are assuming just as much as these people are, and therefore you have taken the opposite position from earlier.

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When have I been taking either side?

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Your position, in a nutshell:  

"Many people claim they have conditions without actually being diagnosed with these conditions. I, however, have been formally diagnosed. It bothers me that these people go around claiming they have something when they haven't been formally diagnosed because it makes light of a serious issue."  

but you also said that "Even if they diagnose themselves ... it doesn't help." In other words, you are 'diagnosing' these people; you are claiming that whatever they are doing "doesn't help" even without knowing for sure. You are assuming just as much as these people are, and therefore you have taken the opposite position from earlier.

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Post edited at 4:05 pm on July 3, 2008 by californication

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Hei chavorale!
 Palo Mande!  

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And what are you claiming, that it does help?

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It also could be harmful to their overall health depending on how they go about it. IT could go either way.

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Quote: from californication at 4:01 pm on July 3, 2008

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And what are you claiming, that it does help?

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 I think it's a possibility that it could help these people to believe that they have some 'disorder' whether or not they meet the criteria for it.

It also could be harmful to their overall health depending on how they go about it. IT could go either way.

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I swear half of the stuff I see on here is not true. Well that is a given, but when they talk about disorders, diseases, depression... people take it way too far and say that have schizophrenia, OCD, manic depression. Have you got tested by a doctor, by professionals, who say that you have it? I honestly doubt it. I have schizophrenia, my friend has aspergers, my aunt has OCD. They were tested with it, they don't just show some small minimal signs and then suddenly go around saying they have OCD. Organizing your lip gloss a certain way does not mean you have OCD.
Fucking hell

These are serious things people need to live with, don't take them so casually, so lightly.

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its true that, for some of us, sure we have issues like these and more in our lives.

but for 1 to say to another, "it will be o.k. you will get passed it". i tell those people, go walk in their shoes for a mile and THEN what u gotta say then??

it may be "easier said than done", FOR YOU, not them.

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