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You are just hopeless and sad. Not even going to argue with you about it anymore because your like a broken record. No one is trying to deny anything. Your just trying to discredit blacks as much as possible.....

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You are just hopeless and sad. Not even going to argue with you about it anymore because your like a broken record. No one is trying to deny anything. Your just trying to discredit blacks as much as possible.....

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I'm not discrediting them - you are over crediting them

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No I'm not.....see even that comment is an insult......sigh.........

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"When you do things right.
People won't be sure you've done anything at all" ~ God like space cloud

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No I'm not.....see even that comment is an insult......sigh.........

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The claim was made that they INVENTED those things - I disproved almost all of them.

They you take defensive and say "They were good improvements"

PROVE IT

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"One of the Germans... would frequently snatch a child from the
woman's arms and... tear the child in half... Such incidents...
occurred all the time." - A Year in Treblinka, Yankel Wiernik,
Treblinka's "most authoritative eyewitness"

It explains how Blacks had lack of an advanced language (or any written language) in their homeland and grunt and "Umf" to each other to understand.

African Retentions in Art

Those are theories and they're giving too much credit.

"powerful rhythms, abstract forms, and artistic vision of African art"

Those can't exist outside of African art?

African Retentions in Music
Jazz was actually first invented by Whites (and first produced by Whites) - but Blacks had their go round in it too.

Cool Jazz - the current "Jazz" of today is more White-influenced too.

Black American Contributions: Exploration
Funny that they only listed three.
Only one of them famous enough to have a Wikipedia page - was 1/2 French.

How many 1/2 Whites do Whites use as influential proof of influence?

Black American Contributions: The Economy
Sugar coating:
SLAVES

Let's not forget that Blacks are 4.5 times more likely to be on welfare than Whites - who pays THAT?

What about the economic influence Africa has - where we send them money weekly? Can't forget that money-maker!

Black American Contributions: Inventions and Discoveries
More inventions! I though we discussed this!

Black American Contributions: Democracy
Well, let's not forget Whites created Democracy.

Alright:
Toussaint L'Ouverture - Leader of the FRENCH REVOLUTION.
Or, more important, the HAITIAN HOLOCAUST. 40,000 Frenchmen were murdered, down to the last man, woman, and child. Rape, decapitation, and mutilation were committed almost universally upon their bodies. Great man? Nah...

Crispus Attucks, Peter Salem,. Salem Poor.... - Let's not forget that 4x as many Blacks fought with the British!

Martin Luther King was a communist. Not much more to say there.

And in the WWI, WWII, Vietnam, Korea, etc - it's claimed that Blacks die more in proportion than Whites. That's false! Whites and Hispanics die more in proportion than Blacks!

Black American Contributions: Arts & Sciences

Jazz and Rock are White creations. They may have had Black INFLUENCE - but not as a basis or anything.

And more inventions - they just can't stay on topic can they?

Then, they put three songs and poems.

That's entirely an opinion wether or not you like them, correct?

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"One of the Germans... would frequently snatch a child from the
woman's arms and... tear the child in half... Such incidents...
occurred all the time." - A Year in Treblinka, Yankel Wiernik,
Treblinka's "most authoritative eyewitness"

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The African Retentions in Language and Folklore is quite funny.

It explains how Blacks had lack of an advanced language (or any written language) in their homeland and grunt and "Umf" to each other to understand.

African Retentions in Art

Those are theories and they're giving too much credit.

"powerful rhythms, abstract forms, and artistic vision of African art"

Those can't exist outside of African art?

African Retentions in Music
Jazz was actually first invented by Whites (and first produced by Whites) - but Blacks had their go round in it too.

Cool Jazz - the current "Jazz" of today is more White-influenced too.

 
Black American Contributions: Exploration
Funny that they only listed three.
Only one of them famous enough to have a Wikipedia page - was 1/2 French.

How many 1/2 Whites do Whites use as influential proof of influence?

Black American Contributions: The Economy
Sugar coating:
SLAVES

Let's not forget that Blacks are 4.5 times more likely to be on welfare than Whites - who pays THAT?

What about the economic influence Africa has - where we send them money weekly? Can't forget that money-maker!

Black American Contributions: Inventions and Discoveries
More inventions! I though we discussed this!

 
Black American Contributions: Democracy
Well, let's not forget Whites created Democracy.

Alright:
 Toussaint L'Ouverture - Leader of the FRENCH REVOLUTION.
Or, more important, the HAITIAN HOLOCAUST. 40,000 Frenchmen were murdered, down to the last man, woman, and child. Rape, decapitation, and mutilation were committed almost universally upon their bodies. Great man? Nah...

Crispus Attucks, Peter Salem,. Salem Poor.... - Let's not forget that 4x as many Blacks fought with the British!

 
Martin Luther King was a communist. Not much more to say there.

 
And in the WWI, WWII, Vietnam, Korea, etc - it's claimed that Blacks die more in proportion than Whites. That's false! Whites and Hispanics die more in proportion than Blacks!

 
Black American Contributions: Arts & Sciences

Jazz and Rock are White creations. They may have had Black INFLUENCE - but not as a basis or anything.

And more inventions - they just can't stay on topic can they?

 
Then, they put three songs and poems.

That's entirely an opinion wether or not you like them, correct?

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In my opinion Black people did more than influence Jazz. Meh that's just an opinion though. Also in this day and age there are a lot of people living off welfare regardless of race. Martin Luther King was a communist lol, wow.............

Oh yes we can't forget that the almighty godly white race created democracy. Then again you would never let me forget how " Godly" you people are. The democracy was added in there due to the fact that it was an achievement of the black race to be involved in the government and make a difference.

As for the
"powerful rhythms, abstract forms, and artistic vision of African art"

This isn't saying they were the ones who created it but they contributed a lot to it. Not to mention contribution to Gospal music among other arts.  

Again you try too hard to lessen the credit deserved to these people. Then you sugarcoat people like the KKK. Not trying to mean mean but I feel that I have to call you out on that man......


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"When you do things right.
People won't be sure you've done anything at all" ~ God like space cloud

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In my opinion Black people did more than influence Jazz. Meh that's just an opinion though.

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Also in this day and age there are a lot of people living off welfare regardless of race.

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Martin Luther King was a communist lol, wow.............

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The Wall Street Journal (Nov.9, 1990) disclosed that Stanford University editors of The Papers of Martin Luther King Jr. have long known that King was guilty of plagiarism in his 1955 Boston University doctoral thesis, having lifted significant portions from the works of other writers and graduate students.

Try Martin Luther King (Man Behind the Myth) by Des Griffin.

I'll look for an Ebook later.

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Oh yes we can't forget that the almighty godly white race created democracy. Then again you would never let me forget how " Godly" you people are. The democracy was added in there due to the fact that it was an achievement of the black race to be involved in the government and make a difference.

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And then it's them fighting in wars - but it's not like they're not doing that in Africa now.

What about the war they fought killing 40,000 Frenchies and raping/decapitating their bodies?

THAT doesn't get a spot? Why not?

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As for the
"powerful rhythms, abstract forms, and artistic vision of African art"

This isn't saying they were the ones who created it but they contributed a lot to it. Not to mention contribution to Gospal music among other arts.  

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Again you try too hard to lessen the credit deserved to these people.

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Then you sugarcoat people like the KKK. Not trying to mean mean but I feel that I have to call you out on that man......

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The KKK is long gone - the individual groups aren't - yet they're different.

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"One of the Germans... would frequently snatch a child from the
woman's arms and... tear the child in half... Such incidents...
occurred all the time." - A Year in Treblinka, Yankel Wiernik,
Treblinka's "most authoritative eyewitness"

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In my opinion Black people did more than influence Jazz. Meh that's just an opinion though.

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Okay.

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Also in this day and age there are a lot of people living off welfare regardless of race.

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That 4.5 times statistic I got - proving with math - on a thread trying to disprove welfare race myths.

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Martin Luther King was a communist lol, wow.............

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2027 baby - his private record is released.

The Wall Street Journal (Nov.9, 1990) disclosed that Stanford University editors of The Papers of Martin Luther King Jr. have long known that King was guilty of plagiarism in his 1955 Boston University doctoral thesis, having lifted significant portions from the works of other writers and graduate students.

Try Martin Luther King (Man Behind the Myth) by Des Griffin.

I'll look for an Ebook later.

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Oh yes we can't forget that the almighty godly white race created democracy. Then again you would never let me forget how " Godly" you people are. The democracy was added in there due to the fact that it was an achievement of the black race to be involved in the government and make a difference.

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They didn't really.
It's just about Black rights and the 14th (invalid) amendment.

And then it's them fighting in wars - but it's not like they're not doing that in Africa now.

What about the war they fought killing 40,000 Frenchies and raping/decapitating their bodies?

THAT doesn't get a spot? Why not?

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As for the
"powerful rhythms, abstract forms, and artistic vision of African art"

This isn't saying they were the ones who created it but they contributed a lot to it. Not to mention contribution to Gospal music among other arts.

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Okay.

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Again you try too hard to lessen the credit deserved to these people.

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They need to EARN it.
They don't need to fake inventions to do so either.

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Then you sugarcoat people like the KKK. Not trying to mean mean but I feel that I have to call you out on that man......

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I'm not a part of any KKK but I've known members - and the KKK groups aren't what you think they are.

The KKK is long gone - the individual groups aren't - yet they're different.

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Well whenever I see KKK groups they are always expressing hate for black people and some idiotic crap so I don' know who you talk to but it's pretty fishy that non-violent people who aren't racist would even take on the name "Ku Klux Klan" to represent themselves....

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"When you do things right.
People won't be sure you've done anything at all" ~ God like space cloud

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We're not trying to take anything from you - we just keep on GIVING to you.

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Many African nations have been surviving on foreign aid for 50 years now.

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Not to mention many industrial nations would not have become what they are if they had not had colonies to steal from. All the raw material rubber, sugar, coffee, cocoa, many varieties of grains, cotton, etc...

Those raw materials were harvested by the natives of colonies and sent directly to England and America. People were broken and starved in those industries and then the products was sold at 100 times their values to the rich.

Were the people from the colonies ever reimbursed for the centuries of colonization and exploitation? No.

So all the foreign aid in the past 50 years is just a tiny tiny fraction of the payback.

Not to mention most of that "foreign aid"was not just for the good of the African nations. During the cold war they used it to pit one naition against the other in order to control which government was in power.

So yeah it was not all "white charity" going on there. There's plenty of self interest going on.

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"Everyone helpin' each other whenever they can we makin' it happen, from nothin' to somethin'
That's how we be survivin'" - BEP

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Well whenever I see KKK groups they are always expressing hate for black people and some idiotic crap so I don' know who you talk to but it's pretty fishy that non-violent people who aren't racist would even take on the name "Ku Klux Klan" to represent themselves....

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What have you really given blacks?

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Most of my friends at school are Negroes...

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Foreign aid which does not come just from whites.

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Not to mention many industrial nations would not have become what they are if they had not had colonies to steal from. All the raw material rubber, sugar, coffee, cocoa, many varieties of grains, cotton, etc...

Those raw materials were harvested by the natives of colonies and sent directly to England and America. People were broken and starved in those industries and then the products was sold at 100 times their values to the rich.

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Mothers, literally, have to CHOOSE which child lives.
Why have a kid if that may happen?

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Were the people from the colonies ever reimbursed for the centuries of colonization and exploitation? No.

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And Whites built infrastructure and gave them technology.

But, then again, it's good proof of what happens when others come to your territory.

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So all the foreign aid in the past 50 years is just a tiny tiny fraction of the payback.

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Africa STILL accounts for 1% of world trade.

They are constantly warring each other and fighting in tribes.

If Whites never intervened - they would STILL be doing that - but with spears instead of guns.

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Not to mention most of that "foreign aid"was not just for the good of the African nations. During the cold war they used it to pit one naition against the other in order to control which government was in power.

So yeah it was not all "white charity" going on there. There's plenty of self interest going on.

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When South Africa came under Black rule - it went DOWN instead of improving or staying the same.

Detroit - same. It became shittier as more Blacks came (and more Whites, coincidentally, left).

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"One of the Germans... would frequently snatch a child from the
woman's arms and... tear the child in half... Such incidents...
occurred all the time." - A Year in Treblinka, Yankel Wiernik,
Treblinka's "most authoritative eyewitness"

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Well whenever I see KKK groups they are always expressing hate for black people and some idiotic crap so I don' know who you talk to but it's pretty fishy that non-violent people who aren't racist would even take on the name "Ku Klux Klan" to represent themselves....

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How many Klansmen do you know?  

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What have you really given blacks?

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Don't make this about me - and I happen to give Blacks a lot in school.  

Most of my friends at school are Negroes...  

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Foreign aid which does not come just from whites.

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Sweden and Norway - being almost solely White (except for asylum-seeking muslims) gave more foreign aid than any other nations in the UN.  

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Not to mention many industrial nations would not have become what they are if they had not had colonies to steal from. All the raw material rubber, sugar, coffee, cocoa, many varieties of grains, cotton, etc...  

Those raw materials were harvested by the natives of colonies and sent directly to England and America. People were broken and starved in those industries and then the products was sold at 100 times their values to the rich.

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Okay?  
Haiti supplied France and 1/2 of Europe with materials - but then Blacks massacred all the Whites - ASKED THEM TO COME BACK AND FIX IT - killed those that did - and is now the only 4th world country in the western hemisphere.  

Mothers, literally, have to CHOOSE which child lives.  
Why have a kid if that may happen?  

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Were the people from the colonies ever reimbursed for the centuries of colonization and exploitation? No.

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Well, many banished them from their land (Haiti and I think India did too).  

And Whites built infrastructure and gave them technology.  

But, then again, it's good proof of what happens when others come to your territory.  

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So all the foreign aid in the past 50 years is just a tiny tiny fraction of the payback.

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I lol'd.  

Africa STILL accounts for 1% of world trade.  

They are constantly warring each other and fighting in tribes.  

If Whites never intervened - they would STILL be doing that - but with spears instead of guns.  

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Not to mention most of that "foreign aid"was not just for the good of the African nations. During the cold war they used it to pit one naition against the other in order to control which government was in power.  

So yeah it was not all "white charity" going on there. There's plenty of self interest going on.

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Nah.  
They really aren't doing much. Their leaders don't give a shit - because they know it's either being a leader or being in a tribe killing others.  

When South Africa came under Black rule - it went DOWN instead of improving or staying the same.  

Detroit - same. It became shittier as more Blacks came (and more Whites, coincidentally, left).

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You need to stuff referring black people to "Negroes" seriously.........

Also do I really have to be associated with a Klansman to know what they do? You see it everywhere. It's just like you saying " Well how do you know that guy hates gays just because he made a public statement if you don't know him personally?"

Again your trying to sugarcoat things again. There are people Of the Ku Klux Klan that do feel minorities as inferior and so forth. By you saying a lot of them aren't even racist is a load of bull crap because you are denying a known fact. Ok give me a Klan member that you know that doesn't fit the characteristics of prejudice, racist or mentally ill. Also you being associated with these ku Klux Klan members proves how biased your point of view is and you have the nerve to say you know both sides. Go on I am waiting for one of their beliefs. I don't believe you have any black friends if they let you  refer to them as negro. usually people like you just lie and say they have black friends to try to better their side of the argument. Prove me wrong but I don't know if a black person and you would go together.......

Post edited at 2:18 pm on Nov. 26, 2008 by Moonscar

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"When you do things right.
People won't be sure you've done anything at all" ~ God like space cloud

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You need to stuff referring black people to "Negroes" seriously.........

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Also do I really have to be associated with a Klansman to know what they do? You see it everywhere. It's just like you saying " Well how do you know that guy hates gays just because he made a public statement if you don't know him personally?"

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And I don't "See it everywhere" - I've never seen a Klan ritual in my area before in my life.

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Again your trying to sugarcoat things again. There are people Of the Ku Klux Klan that do feel minorities as inferior and so forth. By you saying a lot of them aren't even racist is a load of bull crap because you are denying a known fact. Ok give me a Klan member that you know that doesn't fit the characteristics of prejudice, racist or mentally ill.

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And why the hell would I give you the name of a Klansmen?
I can give you their MSN if you want...

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Also you being associated with these ku Klux Klan members proves how biased your point of view is and you have the nerve to say you know both sides.

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Go on I am waiting for one of their beliefs. I don't believe you have any black friends if they let you  refer to them as negro.

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Don't talk to me about them - not my list.

And my friends don't care really...

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usually people like you just lie and say they have black friends to try to better their side of the argument. Prove me wrong but I don't know if a black person and you would go together.......

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There are so little Whites a my school - and I tend to find Blacks more friendly than other races (Primarily the Jamaicans)

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"One of the Germans... would frequently snatch a child from the
woman's arms and... tear the child in half... Such incidents...
occurred all the time." - A Year in Treblinka, Yankel Wiernik,
Treblinka's "most authoritative eyewitness"

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You need to stuff referring black people to "Negroes" seriously.........

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Why? You obviously know what it means.

 

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Also do I really have to be associated with a Klansman to know what they do? You see it everywhere. It's just like you saying " Well how do you know that guy hates gays just because he made a public statement if you don't know him personally?"

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I don't think one Klansmen or any Klan should speak for the rest.

And I don't "See it everywhere" - I've never seen a Klan ritual in my area before in my life.

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Again your trying to sugarcoat things again. There are people Of the Ku Klux Klan that do feel minorities as inferior and so forth. By you saying a lot of them aren't even racist is a load of bull crap because you are denying a known fact. Ok give me a Klan member that you know that doesn't fit the characteristics of prejudice, racist or mentally ill.

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I didn't say there aren't racist violent Klansmen - but not all of them are.

And why the hell would I give you the name of a Klansmen?
I can give you their MSN if you want...

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Also you being associated with these ku Klux Klan members proves how biased your point of view is and you have the nerve to say you know both sides.

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I'm not associated with them. I KNOW three - but I don't speak to them much at all.

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Go on I am waiting for one of their beliefs. I don't believe you have any black friends if they let you refer to them as negro.

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One of their beliefs? How about a few:
*Preservation of the White Race
*National Sovereignity
*Preservation of Christianity
*The right to practice the Christian faith
*The right to pray in school
*Preservation of Western culture/civilization
*White, Black, and integrated schools and allowing a CHOICE of which school to go to.

Don't talk to me about them - not my list.

And my friends don't care really...

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usually people like you just lie and say they have black friends to try to better their side of the argument. Prove me wrong but I don't know if a black person and you would go together.......

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That's not me.

There are so little Whites a my school - and I tend to find Blacks more friendly than other races (Primarily the Jamaicans)

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Well for someone who is close to blacks you sure can be clueless on them no offense =/

I mean a lot of Klans are violent, you previously say that they aren't violent when you should of said "Some aren't as violent as the others". Now you look foolish trying to go back on what you said. Now that things are cleared up though...............

As for the Negroes thing, just stop calling black people that.

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"When you do things right.
People won't be sure you've done anything at all" ~ God like space cloud

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Well for someone who is close to blacks you sure can be clueless on them no offense =/

I mean a lot of Klans are violent, you previously say that they aren't violent when you should of said "Some aren't as violent as the others". Now you look foolish trying to go back on what you said. Now that things are cleared up though...............

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Find a statement by me that claims that NO Klans are violent.

Please, do so. I will rectify myself if I did - but I am 100% that not all Klans and Klansmen are violent racists.

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As for the Negroes thing, just stop calling black people that.

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See how much sense that makes?

What gives YOU the right to call them that?

Maybe I should get on your ass for calling Whites Caucasian (Even though they're not the same thing).

Indo-European at least (Or Aryan for historical accuracy) will do.

Caucasian comes from CAUCASOID - Negro comes from NEGROID.

Using Caucasian is like using Negro.

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"One of the Germans... would frequently snatch a child from the
woman's arms and... tear the child in half... Such incidents...
occurred all the time." - A Year in Treblinka, Yankel Wiernik,
Treblinka's "most authoritative eyewitness"

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Well for someone who is close to blacks you sure can be clueless on them no offense =/

I mean a lot of Klans are violent, you previously say that they aren't violent when you should of said "Some aren't as violent as the others". Now you look foolish trying to go back on what you said. Now that things are cleared up though...............

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Maybe some are - but I said SOME (Keyword:Some - meaning not all but a good portion) are not.

Find a statement by me that claims that NO Klans are violent.

Please, do so. I will rectify myself if I did - but I am 100% that not all Klans and Klansmen are violent racists.

 

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As for the Negroes thing, just stop calling black people that.

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Stop calling Negroes "Black people" then.

 
See how much sense that makes?

What gives YOU the right to call them that?

Maybe I should get on your ass for calling Whites Caucasian (Even though they're not the same thing).

Indo-European at least (Or Aryan for historical accuracy) will do.

Caucasian comes from CAUCASOID - Negro comes from NEGROID.

Using Caucasian is like using Negro.

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Well in the KKK topic on page 5 "What racist groups?

The KKK sign is used by KKK groups that are NOT racist."

So that means the groups that don't use the sign are the racist ones right?

You can't just treat "Negro" as the official name for black people.....

Also I don't refer to a black person as a " Negro" thank you very much for that stereotype........

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"When you do things right.
People won't be sure you've done anything at all" ~ God like space cloud