I always grew up as a Christian, thinking it was all a fact, and then one day I was told it was a belief and then the person who told me that showed me all the other religions known now over the internet..

Now I am confused as hell.  I think there is a higher power, but idk what.  I have been Agnostic awhile and studying Humanism now.

But yea, my girlfriend is a Pagan/Wiccan.  She says Christianity is mostly lies.  And then I have a lot of people saying Paganism/Wicca is all lies.  I just want to see my Christian counselor and my girlfriend argue over religions because they always have something to back up their thoughts and I basically put in the middle of everything!  I don't know what to do..lol

I'm just on the verge right now of giving up on religion and just being an Atheist for the rest of my life.  This is also tearing up my relationship with my girlfriend (or so it seems)  

Can anyone give advice/tips or just ANY kind of help?????

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Here is my question
what kind of advice/ tips do you want?
what questions do you want answered?
How doyou want to be helped?

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I'm just confused as hell about religions in general.  Why are their so many?  How do people always have something to back up their beliefs (I know that probably sounded dumb as hell but still)

I know it's hard after believing something for so long, and starting from such a young age, but if you can, it might be wise to take a step back and have a think for yourself about what you think about it all. Philosophy is a good subject for those both religious and otherwise in terms of asking important questions about life, the universe and meaning.

Best of luck to you. You are not alone.

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If it's causing friction in your relationship, just don't talk about it.

I always found reading up on religions or atheism etc to help my expand my views, see what makes sense and what doesn't.

:| About your gf and your counsellor, that argument will have no end. Because there is no true way to prove that they're all lies.

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Quote: from RoseBeautyMagical416 at 6:03 pm on Nov. 18, 2008

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Here is my question  
 what kind of advice/ tips do you want?  
 what questions do you want answered?  
 How doyou want to be helped?

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I'm just confused as hell about religions in general. Why are their so many? How do people always have something to back up their beliefs (I know that probably sounded dumb as hell but still)

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And if you and your girlfriend are really good for each other, you'll get through this.  Otherwise just make the best of the time you have with her.  

Any other confusions you have, feel free to message me, or the rest of the forum always enjoys new topics.

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I've been told by my girlfriend that Paganism has existed since mankind came into existence.

I always grew up as a Christian, thinking it was all a fact, and then one day I was told it was a belief and then the person who told me that showed me all the other religions known now over the internet..

Now I am confused as hell. I think there is a higher power, but idk what. I have been Agnostic awhile and studying Humanism now.

But yea, my girlfriend is a Pagan/Wiccan. She says Christianity is mostly lies. And then I have a lot of people saying Paganism/Wicca is all lies. I just want to see my Christian counselor and my girlfriend argue over religions because they always have something to back up their thoughts and I basically put in the middle of everything! I don't know what to do..lol

I'm just on the verge right now of giving up on religion and just being an Atheist for the rest of my life. This is also tearing up my relationship with my girlfriend (or so it seems)

Can anyone give advice/tips or just ANY kind of help?????

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she aughta know that it is explicitly against the wiccan redde to talk negatively about another religion in any way, or to try and convert anyone

if you have any ?s about wicca, plz PM me

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So, even though the belief in the God and Goddess as the two polar powers of the world is very ancient, predating any known belief held today, actual paganism and wican is very modern and claims to somehow have "recovered" the centuries of knowledge destroyed by churches around the globe.

I, myself, am a Theravada Buddhist. I do not believe in a supreme being or "higher power", though I cannot rationally claim that their is no sentient being or beings that exist at levels higher than us. Call them Gods, Fairies, etc. , I can't really say they don't exist, but whether or not they do isn't important to the life we all have now.

Agnostics, as I see it, are almost as bad as Christian fundamentalists because they make the choice to ride the fence and be ignorant their whole lives. They're either too scared to drop faith all together, or to ashamed of what being "Godless" entails. While I don't go as far as to call the average Agnostic "stupid", I do believe it is a serious flaw in reason and logic and condone the choice as "stupid".

Your gf is right, Christianity is so inconceivable, that you have to will yourself to complete ignorance just to make it work. At the same time, your gf isn't any better, as she uses the same tactics they use to deface her opponents. She keeps her own faith tucked away in some logic-barren part of her brain and yet avidly attacks all other "irrational faiths". Essentially she's the 5 year old going "haha, my ball is better than your ball, and you can't tell me otherwise because you're not allowed to hurt my feelings!" It's all to easy to sit back and complain about others, and yet be ignorant to your own fallacies.

My advice, educate YOURSELF! Don't rely on one source, read everything you can and not just biased doctrine. Be an adult and think objectively, for your own benefit. If your gf ends it with you because you don't side with her ignorance then, I hate to say it, but she probably isn't worth dating.

Being an Atheist isn't a bad thing. I think it's amazing. It teaches you to truly appreciate your life and all it's problems for what they are, rather than relying on some "guy in the sky" to make things work. I was raised Catholic, became a Born Again Christian, and now, after all that indoctrination and brainwashing, I see how sick the whole system is and while I honestly hope that such religions can turn around and start being reasonable, I don't waste my time working for such efforts.

Undoubtedly, you'll have people spouting off their mouths about how great Jesus is or whatever, but think about where that opinion is coming from. Do you honestly trust the things that go on inside other's minds? Do you even trust what happens in your mind all the time? Christianity is a mind theory, and based soley on wishful thinking and ignorance. If that makes you happy to be ignorant and degenerate yourself into a sheep, by all means, do what makes you happy.

If, however, you wish to learn more about just what Atheism is and why "God" in any form is irrational, perhaps you should google famous scientists like Richard Dawkins or Christopher Hitchens. Atheism needs more men like these two, to set examples for the rest of what true Atheism is about, the rational persuit of happiness, without God, Santa Clause, or the Easter Bunny.

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Is god willing to prevent evil but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him god? -Epicurus

However, her "paganism," her Wicca, is an invention of our time. It is much younger than Christianity.

My advice to you would be to learn something about your religion before you claim to believe it; if you don't even know enough to refute her claim that "Christianity is mostly lies" how can you really claim to be a practicing Christian?