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The Pew Research Center disagrees, at least from a Middle Eastern perspective.

How do you describe such a positive view among Muslims in regards to suicide bombing?

Also you're not a very good Muslim if you respect other religions.

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Of course that is because those statistic came from the biased media not a reliable sources.

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You have to know that not all muslims are agressive,neither suiciders...
Most of muslims hate suiciders because it's not allowed in Islam to harm other people os even disturb them,so we don't call bomb suiciders as muslims,we don't even like them to be part of Islam,we love people, all kind of people and we respect all religions.

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wtf? did I CALL him a suicide bomber? did I CALL him aggressive? no, i just talked about some Muslim relgion aspects which i was NOT ignorant of, which if i was, how would i know all those things? and he just got offended by himself. ashamed of his own culture. that's what i'm calling funny.

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But you did that to provoke him in a very systematic way.  If I was him I would have know how to handle people like you.  Of course in a peacefull way not with bombs.

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Quote: from Hiba at 3:34 pm on Nov. 21, 2008

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You have to know that not all muslims are agressive,neither suiciders...  
 Most of muslims hate suiciders because it's not allowed in Islam to harm other people os even disturb them,so we don't call bomb suiciders as muslims,we don't even like them to be part of Islam,we love people, all kind of people and we respect all religions.

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wtf? did I CALL him a suicide bomber? did I CALL him aggressive? no, i just talked about some Muslim relgion aspects which i was NOT ignorant of, which if i was, how would i know all those things? and he just got offended by himself. ashamed of his own culture. that's what i'm calling funny.

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HURP DE DERP

I told some German guy how the Nazi's turned Jews into soap  and cup holders for no reason and he got mad, am I doing it right?

Hurp De Derp
I brought up how Jews were primarily bankers in the middle ages who would lend money with insane interest. I said this outside a Synagauge and everyone got mad. I'm so cool right?

HURRR

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this muslim kid in my class asked a question to the teacher and i whispered at him to go ask his muezzin. and then he got all pissed and i told him to go back to his kaaba. then he started calling me a racist so i told him to calm down and remember the jihad of the heart.  

it was a fun day! he almost told the principle but still.

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Who said so? the very good muslim is the one who respect all other religions.

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Who said so? the very good muslim is the one who respect all other religions.

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Says the Koran:

Sura (9:29)

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Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

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Granted, nonbelievers could theoretically be allowed to practice their religion, but only if subjugated to an Islamic theocracy that demands a tax on religious freedom. That's the only exception, and it doesn't qualify as respect.

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Quote: from Hiba at 6:08 pm on Nov. 22, 2008

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Who said so? the very good muslim is the one who respect all other religions.

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Says the Koran:

Sura (9:29)

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Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

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Granted, nonbelievers could theoretically be allowed to practice their religion, but only if subjugated to an Islamic theocracy that demands a tax on religious freedom. That's the only exception, and it doesn't qualify as respect.

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How about considering the whole context of that verse?

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Quote: from SovSull at 6:06 pm on Nov. 22, 2008

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Quote: from Hiba at 6:08 pm on Nov. 22, 2008

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Who said so? the very good muslim is the one who respect all other religions.

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 Says the Koran:  

 Sura (9:29)  
 

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Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

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 Granted, nonbelievers could theoretically be allowed to practice their religion, but only if subjugated to an Islamic theocracy that demands a tax on religious freedom. That's the only exception, and it doesn't qualify as respect.

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 How about considering the whole context of that verse?

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If you're suggesting that this barbarism is disguising something more noble, please reveal it to me.

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Quote: from Raza say at 2:15 am on Nov. 23, 2008

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Quote: from SovSull at 6:06 pm on Nov. 22, 2008

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Quote: from Hiba at 6:08 pm on Nov. 22, 2008

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Who said so? the very good muslim is the one who respect all other religions.

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  Says the Koran:

  Sura (9:29)
 

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Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

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  Granted, nonbelievers could theoretically be allowed to practice their religion, but only if subjugated to an Islamic theocracy that demands a tax on religious freedom. That's the only exception, and it doesn't qualify as respect.

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  How about considering the whole context of that verse?

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If you're suggesting that this barbarism is disguising something more noble, please reveal it to me.

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Hm, sure. Let me start with an important point. Quran was revealed to the Prophet in a period of "forty years." That done.
So this specific verse/surah was revealed when Muslim formed a new nation after migration from mecca to medina i think(? or maybe it was the other way round). Anyway, pagans were at war with Muslims, for well obvious reasons and Muslims were obviously fighting back in self defence as it's allowed in Islam. Now, these pagans/kufar were steadfast on breaking treaties, this verse was basically revealed for devine guidance on how to deal with them. Let me define the word Jizya here, it was something that non-Muslims were supposed to pay in place of Zaka that is obligatory on Muslims. And by paying the jizyah non-Muslims were guaranteed protection and rights including the right to worship as they chose, as long as they did not conspire against the Islamic authority. And lets not forget that back then Muslims were just a small band of people facing total annihilation. So yep that's it.
And also, while we art it, every single Surah in the Quran starts with "In the name of Allah, the most merciful, the most gracious". except this Surah/Chapter called Tawba. yep.

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Quote: from Hiba at 6:34 pm on Nov. 21, 2008

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You have to know that not all muslims are agressive,neither suiciders...
Most of muslims hate suiciders because it's not allowed in Islam to harm other people os even disturb them,so we don't call bomb suiciders as muslims,we don't even like them to be part of Islam,we love people, all kind of people and we respect all religions.

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The Pew Research Center disagrees, at least from a Middle Eastern perspective.

How do you describe such a positive view among Muslims in regards to suicide bombing?

Also you're not a very good Muslim if you respect other religions.

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i wish you would cut the crap with your narrow data.  You jump in to point out a small sector of Islamic extremism, and then have nothing to say ever as soon as anyone poses any remotely-logical argument regarding the majority of the religion.

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i wish you would cut the crap with your narrow data.  You jump in to point out a small sector of Islamic extremism, and then have nothing to say ever as soon as anyone poses any remotely-logical argument regarding the majority of the religion.

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I didn't have time to read the article you linked to regarding wife beating and I'm replying to his post now. That's not to say I'll never reply to you, it's just that I have other obligations at the moment.

If you can explain from a theological perspective why 73% of Lebanon is full of shit I'd be happy to hear it.

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Hm, sure. Let me start with an important point. Quran was revealed to the Prophet in a period of "forty years." That done.  
So this specific verse/surah was revealed when Muslim formed a new nation after migration from mecca to medina i think(? or maybe it was the other way round). Anyway, pagans were at war with Muslims, for well obvious reasons and Muslims were obviously fighting back in self defence as it's allowed in Islam. Now, these pagans/kufar were steadfast on breaking treaties, this verse was basically revealed for devine guidance on how to deal with them. Let me define the word Jizya here, it was something that non-Muslims were supposed to pay in place of Zaka that is obligatory on Muslims. And by paying the jizyah non-Muslims were guaranteed protection and rights including the right to worship as they chose, as long as they did not conspire against the Islamic authority. And lets not forget that back then Muslims were just a small band of people facing total annihilation. So yep that's it.
And also, while we art it, every single Surah in the Quran starts with "In the name of Allah, the most merciful, the most gracious". except this Surah/Chapter called Tawba. yep.

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Between Islam being a divine revelation or a weak plagiarism off of Christianity and Judaism, I'm going to opt for the latter since it is more likely. And there's nothing in your post to suggest that this kind of reactionary behavior is ethically justified, given there is no reason to believe that any of the claims the Koran makes about the nature of the universe are true. This doesn't justify the transgressions of the pagans either, my point is that there's no way any of these passages are morally acceptable short of Allah literally tumbling out of the clouds and endorsing this violence.

And given that we're progressing towards a more global community in terms of communication and cultures leaking into one another, where does Islam determine what is and is not self defense/self preservation? Your history is solid but it isn't making any appeals to Islamic theology.

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i wish you would cut the crap with your narrow data. You jump in to point out a small sector of Islamic extremism, and then have nothing to say ever as soon as anyone poses any remotely-logical argument regarding the majority of the religion.

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I didn't have time to read the article you linked to regarding wife beating and I'm replying to his post now. That's not to say I'll never reply to you, it's just that I have other obligations at the moment.

If you can explain from a theological perspective why 73% of Lebanon is full of shit I'd be happy to hear it.

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Why would I use a purely theological perspective when it's blatantly obvious that the primary reason for violent religious extremism stems from a combination of religious and political motives.