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Prophet didn't break the treaty. Quraysh never expilicitly explained what they mean by "men", which was the word used in the treaty.

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He most certainly did break the treaty.  Even after accepting women, he later allowed men to flee to Medina also.

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No, i don't think battles involve chewing up livers? That's what the Quraiysh did to Hamza

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No, it's what Abu Sufyan's wife did.  Abu Sufyan made it clear to Muhammad that he played no part in the mutilation.

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When Muslims saw him, they directed their attention to Abu Sufyan. Prophet Muhammad said: "These men must not get to a higher position than ours! Oh God, if this band of people is killed, you will have no worshippers!" And then his companions bestirred themselves and threw stones at the enemy which forced them to retreat downhill.

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You're obviously clueless about the battle of Uhud.  A few dozen men would not stop 3,000 heavily armed and determined fighters - pebbles included.

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Eh? NO, he migrated to Madina to avoid ill-treatment of Quraiysh. Perhaps, you should try changing your sources of information.

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Are you denying that Muhammad declared war against Mecca before he was driven out?  

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Yes, it was a defensive battle.

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Ok, so every battle the Muslims engaged in (including ones they started) after they traveled to Medina is automatically defensive.  That's an odd definition of "defensive."

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And btw, the caravan escaped. Actual battle took place when punitive expedition of some 800 men, under Abu Jahl was sent against the Prophet.

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And what you don't mention is that nearly three hundred of those men traveled back to Mecca to avoid fighting with their fellow tribesmen who converted to Islam.

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The battle of Muta took place when Shurahbil,a Christian Arab, killed the envoy of God's Messenger, Harith ibn 'Umayr. That's when the Prophet formed an army of 3,000 men, who fought against army of 100,000 or i think 200,00 Byzantine at Mu'ta.
Tha battle of Tabuk was fought becaause of Heraclius, the then Byzantine emperor.After the defeat in the battle of Mu'ta, Kufar decided to attack the Islamic state. The prophet didn't sent the army until he confirmed that the Romans are coming.

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All of this is of course wrong or greatly exaggerated.

For starters, the Byzantines never intended to attack the Muslims.  That's why there was no actual battle at Tabuk.  The Muslims did, however, force a number of local tribes under the Islamic security system.  And, of course, your numbers are wrong.  I would ask you to cite your figues of 100,000 or 200,000 but I think that would be too much for you.

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Inexplicably, Muhammad ordered Umar to get up and answer Abu Sufyan's boast, risking revealing his hiding place. Umar shouted back, "We are not equal. Our dead are in paradise, your dead in hell." Abu Sufyan must have spotted Umar for he called to him to approach. When Umar cam near, Abu Sufyan asked, "By God, Umar, have we killed Muhammad?" Umar replied, "By God, you have not, he is listening to what you are saying now." Abu Sufyan must have known that Muhammad was nearby.  He could easily have ordered the cavalrymen with him to seek him out and kill him, putting an end to the entire nasty business. But in Abu Sufyan's view war was sport and honor was central to its practice. To kill Muhammad now that the battle was over and he had already been beaten was not the valiant thing to do. And so Muhammad survived. p. 122

It is examples like this, among many others, which show that the Meccans had no intention of wiping out the Muslims.

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Exactly what i'd expect from a non-muslim writer.

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Which is what exactly?  Are you disagreeing with his view that Muhammad and the few fighters held up nearby with him could not have been easily killed if the Meccans intended for that to happen?

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He most certainly did break the treaty. Even after accepting women, he later allowed men to flee to Medina also.

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No, it's what Abu Sufyan's wife did. Abu Sufyan made it clear to Muhammad that he played no part in the mutilation.

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This is what Abu Safyan said: "A day for the day of Badr. War has its ups and downs. You will find that some of your dead have been mutilated. I did not command it, nor did it displease me."

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You're obviously clueless about the battle of Uhud. A few dozen men would not stop 3,000 heavily armed and determined fighters - pebbles included.

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Are you denying that Muhammad declared war against Mecca before he was driven out?

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Ok, so every battle the Muslims engaged in (including ones they started) after they traveled to Medina is automatically defensive. That's an odd definition of "defensive."

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And what you don't mention is that nearly three hundred of those men traveled back to Mecca to avoid fighting with their fellow tribesmen who converted to Islam.

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For starters, the Byzantines never intended to attack the Muslims. That's why there was no actual battle at Tabuk. The Muslims did, however, force a number of local tribes under the Islamic security system. And, of course, your numbers are wrong. I would ask you to cite your figues of 100,000 or 200,000 but I think that would be too much for you.

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...and the army of Caesar is a myth?

Post edited at 8:48 am on Nov. 27, 2008 by Raza say

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Quote: from Raza say at 11:51 pm on Nov. 25, 2008

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Inexplicably, Muhammad ordered Umar to get up and answer Abu Sufyan's boast, risking revealing his hiding place. Umar shouted back, "We are not equal. Our dead are in paradise, your dead in hell." Abu Sufyan must have spotted Umar for he called to him to approach. When Umar cam near, Abu Sufyan asked, "By God, Umar, have we killed Muhammad?" Umar replied, "By God, you have not, he is listening to what you are saying now." Abu Sufyan must have known that Muhammad was nearby.  He could easily have ordered the cavalrymen with him to seek him out and kill him, putting an end to the entire nasty business. But in Abu Sufyan's view war was sport and honor was central to its practice. To kill Muhammad now that the battle was over and he had already been beaten was not the valiant thing to do. And so Muhammad survived. p. 122

It is examples like this, among many others, which show that the Meccans had no intention of wiping out the Muslims.

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Exactly what i'd expect from a non-muslim writer.

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Which is what exactly?  Are you disagreeing with his view that Muhammad and the few fighters held up nearby with him could not have been easily killed if the Meccans intended for that to happen?

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I'm sure the author dosen't mention Mas'ab b Omair and what the Quraiysh bruited around about him.

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The authour also probably didn't mentioned rules of war that were strictly followed by both Quraiysh and Muslims back then. Rules like not attacking retreating armies if they are defeated, and not fighting after sunset etc.

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The author spends several chapters in his book explaining the rules of war in pre-Islamic Arabia.

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This happened after Quraiysh killed innocent Muslims on their side, which were not to be returned, according to the treaty. Not to mention that the material on which the treaty was written was eaten by termites after it was hung on the Ka'aba but that's a differnt story. Treaty ended.

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Off the top of my head, I can't think of what you're referring to.  Care to give examples?

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I insult Mormons every day.

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This happened after Quraiysh killed innocent Muslims on their side, which were not to be returned, according to the treaty. Not to mention that the material on which the treaty was written was eaten by termites after it was hung on the Ka'aba but that's a differnt story. Treaty ended.

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Off the top of my head, I can't think of what you're referring to. Care to give examples?

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Banu Khuzaah entered the treaty with Muslims, and Banu Bakr cited with Quraish. This happened after the Prophet offered them to be a part of the peace treaty which was ofcourse only between Muslims and Quraish before. After entering the treaty, both expanded sides were suppose to follow the requirements of the treaty. Actual conflict arose when Quraysh leaguered together [with Banu Bakr] against Khuza'ah and  killed some of their men, breaking the treaty and covenant that existed between them and the Messenger of God by violating the Khuza'ah, who had a pact and treaty with him.