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Shallow and pedantic.
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Quote: from osmoticdespair at 10:01 pm on Nov. 16, 2008
Quote: from bigdutchman at 6:00 am on Nov. 17, 2008
Logic can obtain the scientific truth as we perceive it. 
Alone? Surely not.
The basis of science is observation and application. We let go of an apple, it drops to the ground. We assume something is pulling (or pushing, or something, doesn't really have any relevance to my point) on it. Then again, we are only assuming we are seeing an apple falling. We assume things exist the way we see them We assume there is such a thing as reality, when in fact, there is absolutely no way to prove that what we see, feel, taste, hear, and smell is actually there, and that we are actually perceiving those things. We only assume. Post edited at 10:07 pm on Nov. 16, 2008 by bigdutchman
------- "Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he w ill sit on a boat drinking beer all day."
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Quote: from bigdutchman at 6:06 am on Nov. 17, 2008
Quote: from osmoticdespair at 10:01 pm on Nov. 16, 2008
Quote: from bigdutchman at 6:00 am on Nov. 17, 2008
Logic can obtain the scientific truth as we perceive it. 
Alone? Surely not.
The basis of science is observation and application. We let go of an apple, it drops to the ground. We assume something is pulling on it. Then again, we are only assuming we are seeing an apple falling. We assume things exist the way we see them We assume there is such a thing as reality, when in fact, there is absolutely no way to prove that what we see, feel, taste, hear, and smell is actually there, and that we are actually perceiving those things. We only assume. 
I am talking about logic though. Observation is not an application of logic.
------- Κύριε ἐλέησον
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Quote: from osmoticdespair at 10:07 pm on Nov. 16, 2008
Quote: from bigdutchman at 6:06 am on Nov. 17, 2008
Quote: from osmoticdespair at 10:01 pm on Nov. 16, 2008
Quote: from bigdutchman at 6:00 am on Nov. 17, 2008
Logic can obtain the scientific truth as we perceive it. 
Alone? Surely not.
The basis of science is observation and application. We let go of an apple, it drops to the ground. We assume something is pulling on it. Then again, we are only assuming we are seeing an apple falling. We assume things exist the way we see them We assume there is such a thing as reality, when in fact, there is absolutely no way to prove that what we see, feel, taste, hear, and smell is actually there, and that we are actually perceiving those things. We only assume. 
I am talking about logic though. Observation is not an application of logic.
Yes but without observation we cannot apply logic. If we have no facts, we can't "connect the dots." We need dots to connect. And if those facts are not necessarily reliable, we don't even get to the logic step. Logic becomes irrelevant in seeking the truth, because we must first prove what we already assume.
------- "Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he w ill sit on a boat drinking beer all day."
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So your statement that logic can obtain the scientific truth as we perceive it is incorrect.
------- Κύριε ἐλέησον
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