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hamlet never contemplates suicide |
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Replies: 14 Last Post Dec. 23, 2008 11:28am by fenrir
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Web Resources: Suicide Myths Dispelled, Suicide Information
USA Suicide Hotline: 1-800-SUICIDE (1-800-784-2433)
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well this is pretty much an argument in semantics, but he does think about what were to happen after death, which can be caused BY suicide
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BleedingSteelWings
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True, all he does is wonder whether or not there is something beyond death. Look at the "Alas poor Yorick" line for example and the famous "to be or not to be" soliloquy. if you pay attentino you'll notice he's not 'singing "Crawling"' or asking the audience for a razor. figuratively of course.
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( medjai )
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Also it is not an argument in semantics, it is pointing out bad interpretation.
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I don't think you can call it a 'bad' interpretation, since it can be textually justified.
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major
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you are an idiot, jared, yoric was not hamlet's mother or father figure. he was a court jester that he found somewhat amusing. He was someone he knew in his childhood, and whose skull he held, but he died when Hamlet was around seven, I'm pretty sure, and a court jester would not be allowed to be a "mother" and "father" to the prince of denmark. he in no way was on the same intellectual plane as hamlet, he was merely an entertainment tool. The significance of Yoric is not that he was such an incredible person, now reduced to bones, but in fact that he was such a menial person, who was now indistinguishable from the greats such as Napoleon or Cesar. Everyone is equalized in death, and Yoric's skull was a symbol for that anonymity. Yoric, the court jester, died, just as Hamlet's father died, and the two are not nearly the same in his mind, except for the fact that they are both in the category of "dead". maybe you should read the fucking play instead of telling everyone that they don't know what they're talking about. Hamlet never verbalizes a thought process to carry out his suicide, no. But he was thinking about death, and thinking of himself in the context of "death", and if he were a person then the jump could quite confidently be made that he thought about suicide as well.
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Quote: from Major at 12:54 pm on Dec. 23, 2008
you are an idiot, jared, yoric was not hamlet's mother or father figure. he was a court jester that he found somewhat amusing. He was someone he knew in his childhood, and whose skull he held, but he died when Hamlet was around seven, I'm pretty sure, and a court jester would not be allowed to be a "mother" and "father" to the prince of denmark. he in no way was on the same intellectual plane as hamlet, he was merely an entertainment tool. The significance of Yoric is not that he was such an incredible person, now reduced to bones, but in fact that he was such a menial person, who was now indistinguishable from the greats such as Napoleon or Cesar. Everyone is equalized in death, and Yoric's skull was a symbol for that anonymity. Yoric, the court jester, died, just as Hamlet's father died, and the two are not nearly the same in his mind, except for the fact that they are both in the category of "dead". maybe you should read the fucking play instead of telling everyone that they don't know what they're talking about. Hamlet never verbalizes a thought process to carry out his suicide, no. But he was thinking about death, and thinking of himself in the context of "death", and if he were a person then the jump could quite confidently be made that he thought about suicide as well.
Unfortunately, the manner of one's death expressed within fictional or imaginative accounts isn't necessarily advocating one's condoning of suicide.. You're merely citing examples of death within his writings without providing any information for how and why Shakespeare chose for him to do so.
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major
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what he needs to address is his obvious lack of knowledge about the play, to say that Yoric was such an incremental figure in Hamlet's life.
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fenrir
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Quote: from Major at 1:00 pm on Dec. 23, 2008
what he needs to address is his obvious lack of knowledge about the play, to say that Yoric was such an incremental figure in Hamlet's life.
Again, Hamlet was quite capable of taking his own life right from when he heard his father's disclosing his killer was Hamlet's mother's new lover.. And your example of him expounding his friend's death could be acknowledging the frailty of life, not one's choice to take their own..
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fenrir
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Quote: from Major at 1:18 pm on Dec. 23, 2008
that's what i said dumbass read the big wall of text i put i'm addressing Quote: from medjai at 5:17 pm on Dec. 1, 2008
He already knows there is something beyond death because of the ghost however. Yoric was Hamlet's mother and father figure in childhood, he rode on his back, Yoric was the only person to match our hero's wit and guile, and there he is bones dug up like fecal matter. He nearly pukes. Yoric was so very important to hamlet. But this soliloquoy goes deeper still. 
which is a huge amount of shit
Amazing how your humility and ability not to portray yourself as a condescending, immature, ignorant.. hmmm, I take that back. You aren't humble and you do all of those. However, you drew Ad Hominem first.
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