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Quote: from jakelong at 11:05 pm on Dec. 31, 2008

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Still wondering what getting pics of blonde arab even proves.

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It's really just a stupid attempt to divert the subject by nitpicking at some technicality of what Abs said.

Obviously exceptions always exist, but exceptions don't change the rule no matter how hard you try.  

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That jews are the true aryans?    

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Honestly, Aryan is a pretty dumb term and no one's trying to use it.

Simply put, many Israelis are primarily of European descent. Hence why they tend to be blonde haired and blue eyed far more often than the Palestinians. Hence why their claiming ancestral ties to the land is largely invalid compared to the Palestinians.

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Just to let you in on a secret, when Jakelong said "aryan" he was making fun of kidd rune, who happens to be the LW white supremacist.

Also, jews aren't usually associated with "blond hair; blue eyes", but instead with "brown hair; brown eyes".

Remember that Hitler preferred blond hair and blue eyes, something that was uncommon among jews.

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Just to let you in on a secret, when Jakelong said "aryan" he was making fun of kidd rune, who happens to be the LW white supremacist.

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Is it really necessary that Jake references KR in every possible thread, even the ones KR himself doesn't even visit?

Though to be honest, if you think KR is a white supremacist, you have not a clue as to what a real white supremacist looks like.

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Also, jews aren't usually associated with "blond hair; blue eyes", but instead with "brown hair; brown eyes".

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Not saying they aren't. Even the majority of Germans have brown hair and brown eyes. Those two features alone aren't indicative of a separate race.

However, blonde hair and blue eyes is a feature more common among European Jews, and Europeans as a whole, than any Semitic group. And given that those two are recessive traits, it brings into question the validity of any claims of ancestry to the Semitic Hebrews who once resided in Judea / Isreal / Palestine / whatever you call it prior to the Romans scattering them about.

After all, if the majority of their ancestry is gentile and not that original Semitic, why focus on that small piece, which the greater than normal prevalence of blonde hair and blue eyes shows just how small? Especially if they're a secular, or non-practicing, Jew?

It's things like this which leads me to believe that being ethnically Jewish is more imagined than real, though made real through social constructs, just as nationalism, which includes Zionism.

Post edited at 12:07 am on Jan. 2, 2009 by Bud2400

I've always wondered why Europeans were, for the most part (AFAIK), really the only people who have have blond hair.  

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It's really just a stupid attempt to divert the subject by nitpicking at some technicality of what Abs said.

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Honestly, Aryan is a pretty dumb term and no one's trying to use it.

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Simply put, many Israelis are primarily of European descent.

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Hence why they tend to be blonde haired and blue eyed far more often than the Palestinians.

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Hence why their claiming ancestral ties to the land is largely invalid compared to the Palestinians.

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Its funny but that really reminds me of KR trying to prove the opposite just to claim that Jews in Germany had no claim to to be German.

So if Jews are NEITHER European NOT Semitic where the fuck do you guys think they belong? On the moon?

If they are fully European as you claim then they should belong In Germany and Nazis were 100% wrong in kicking them out.

If they are fully Semitic then they should belong in Israel and some of that region can be claimed by them (although within limits)

If they are mixed of both then they belong wherever the fuck they want and so long as they don't bother anyone (and I agree that that they are doing harm to Palestinians right now) then they belong wherever they want to live.

But you guys should stop trying to decide who other ppl are and where they should live. Like claiming Native Americans can't call themselves that even though they have been in the US before Europeans. Or mocking Latinos for calling themselves that by claiming they don't know latin even though everybody knows it is just because South American has been called latin America.

Now you guys are busy trying to define semitism and deny ppl the right to call themselves semitic even if they have some semitic origin.

I mean what give you guys the right to decide who is what anyway? Am I busy telling you guys that you are not fully Americans because you don't have full native american ancestry or not fully Europeans because your ancestors left it in the 15th or the 19th or even the 20th century?

Finally I don't know WHICH groups has MORE claim to the region in Israel/Palestine and which do not. But it seems to me that BOTH could try to simply live there without kicking each other out or resorting to terrorism or totalitarian repression. And any RACIAL claim used by EITHER group to ownership of that land is basically no better than Nazism.

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