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Quote: from kidd rune at 5:25 pm on Jan. 2, 2009
Totally irrelevant. 
Nein mein fuhrer! http://cghs.dadeschools.net/ib_holocaust2001/Ideology_Death/blutandboden.htm
The doctrine of Blut und Boden was used to promote racist ideas in Germany and the preaching of Adolf Hitler. In order to understand the feeling of superiority in Germany as it relates to "blood and soil," the teaching of German students must be considered. In most other European textbooks, the history of that particular country begins with the events that took place on that country's soil. A German textbook, on the other hand, almost always starts off by explaining the expansion of the Germanic people throughout Europe. Germans are taught, from a very early age, to have interest in other nations and look upon Europe with a possessive glance. This is a special type of nationalism, which can almost be called internationalism, and makes the philosophy of Blut und Boden quite dangerous. Instead of being content with the "soil" they occupy, many Germans felt that because of their "blood," the rest of Europe should also be theirs.
Completely relevant.
They were defected people
Defected? You mean they defected to the West or to the East? Had no idea that handicapped ppl wanted to defect to other countries... Especially long before the Cold war...
Took them out of their misery. 
Sounds like something you would need that's true.
Actually - they did! 
Prove they wre AS EFFICIENT. I thought Germans were the best at everything.
He did not want war - and, yes, he was forced into it. 
Oh so Blut and boden means thye wre FORCED to expand and integrate all Europe into Germany. Yeah poor bastards. "Forced" by thier own retarded ideology.
But when you're in a war and it's either life or death - you don't want your own country to revolt against you. 
What you mean "revolt". Don't pacifist have the right of speech and exprssion and dissent?
You weren't permitted to go against the state. 
And THATS what you CALL FREEDOM? lol yeah
He pretty much said - if you don't like it, leave. They didn't like it and stayed 
So by "freedom" you mean "free" to leave the country??? Wow thats great freedom espcially when all of Europe is put under the same law and rules And how do you expect handicapped people to leave the country?
I don't think Germany or any country should be reprimanded for what everyone was doing at that time. 
You mean everyone in other countries was sending homos to the concentration camps to be exterminated? ok...
They were not German citizens if he told them to leave. 
So you define as "German cistizen" whatver Hiler decided right? All Hitler has to do is declare this or that person a non-citizena dn thats ok by you. Sieg Heil is perfect for you.
Therefore - they had no right to live in Germany. 
Just because Hitler says so yeah we get it.
You do know he didn't just say "Leave or die" - he ENCOURAGED them to leave and there were different places set up for Germans. 
And if they didn't leave then its ok to kill them yeah we get it. So much for "freedom" i guess
They were not German as they were DENIED citizenship. 
And you think thats RIGHT and shows "MUCH FREEDOM"? uh-huh. whatever the fuhrer says I guess.
Funny how YOU don't understand. If he didn't want them there - they were encouraged to leave. They had years to leave. 
Sure they gave German communists and other "undersirables" a whole SECOND from the time the Nazis got elected 1933 to pack up and leave. read on
The first concentration camps in Germany were established soon after Hitler's appointment as chancellor in January 1933. In the weeks after the Nazis came to power, The SA (Sturmabteilungen; commonly known as Storm Troopers), the SS (Schutzstaffel; Protection Squadrons -- the elite guard of the Nazi party), the police, and local civilian authorities organized numerous detention camps to incarcerate real and perceived political opponents of Nazi policy. 
http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/article.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005263
German authorities established camps all over Germany on an ad hoc basis to handle the masses of people arrested as alleged subversives. The SS established larger camps in Oranienburg, north of Berlin; Esterwegen, near Hamburg; Dachau, northwest of Munich; and Lichtenburg, in Saxony. In Berlin itself, the Columbia Haus facility held prisoners under investigation by the Gestapo (the German secret state police) until 1936. 
And sure they just wanted them out of Germany and that is why Hans Frank the governor of Poland appointed by Hitler said in 1940
It is clear that herewith a serious warning must be given - the Jews must vanish from the face of the earth.
http://tinyurl.com/9vep4t
Everybody has a different idea of freedom. Don't compare what you [think you] have today to 70 years ago.
Except that the Nazi idea of freedom is also YOUR idea of freedom while the idea of freedom of the Weimar republic 5 before was obviously different. Otherwise the Nazi would not have had to change the laws and make these laws Decreee in 1933
Sections 114, 115, 117, 118, 123, 124, and 153 of the Constitution of the German Reich are suspended until further notice. Thus, restrictions on personal liberty [114], on the right of free expression of opinion, including freedom of the press [118], on the right of assembly and the right of association [124], and violations of the privacy of postal, telegraphic, and telephonic communications [117], and warrants for house-searches [115], orders for confiscation as well as restrictions on property [153], are also permissible beyond the legal limits otherwise prescribed
http://web.jjay.cuny.edu/~jobrien/reference/ob60.html Yay for Freedom of removing freedom of the press, civil liberties, and freedom of expression! hurray to freedom of violation of privacy!!!
------- "Everyone helpin' each other whenever they can we makin' it happen, from nothin' to somethin' That's how we be survivin'" - BEP
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Nein mein fuhrer! http://cghs.dadeschools.net/ib_holocaust2001/Ideology_Death/blutandboden.htm 
I just looked at a bunch of bullshit. And then it all made sense. When I saw the biased sources.
Completely relevant. 
Hahaha! There was no real claim by Hitler that he wanted all of Europe as his. He would've liked it - but it wasn't something he was going to kill and start a war to get. He really just wanted Germany and the land stolen from it back - but "Invading" previously German land sparked the conflict.
Defected? You mean they defected to the West or to the East? Had no idea that handicapped ppl wanted to defect to other countries... Especially long before the Cold war...
Good job. Defected people are people with defects. The defect that they had was their non-functioning brain. Henceforth - retards.
Sounds like something you would need that's true.
Nah. They would've loved me.
Prove they wre AS EFFICIENT. I thought Germans were the best at everything. 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics_in_Showa_Japan
Oh so Blut and boden means thye wre FORCED to expand and integrate all Europe into Germany. Yeah poor bastards. "Forced" by thier own retarded ideology. 
Wrong. Blut und boden means that Germany belongs to Germans - Britain to Britons, France to French, etc. Your silly Jewish/Zionist authors can say whatever they want and make up as many lies as they please. It doesn't mean anything unless there is evident proof that Hitler himself wanted all of Europe under his empire and was going to take it by force.
What you mean "revolt". Don't pacifist have the right of speech and exprssion and dissent? 
You could sit there and be a pacifist - nobody would've cared. But if you were lining people up to go against the German war effort you would've been in trouble.
And THATS what you CALL FREEDOM? lol yeah 
If you don't like Germany leave. Makes sense. I'd never have that issue because when I don't like a country I go to another one.
So by "freedom" you mean "free" to leave the country??? Wow thats great freedom espcially when all of Europe is put under the same law and rules
No - I don't. Germany had a lot of freedom compared to much of Europe - but nothing that you think you have today. But nobody said the US is perfect. And if they did it would be a lie. Our freedom has pushed laziness towards our people. People want absolute freedom - but people don't know what they want. When people have all the freedom they can have - it's called ANARCHY.
And how do you expect handicapped people to leave the country? 
That's their family's problem and in many cases the families consented the mercy killing. What good is someone that is just alive, sitting in a wheelchair - not being able to do anything? Not being able to tell them they want to die? Not being able to understand the simple concept of death itself?
You mean everyone in other countries was sending homos to the concentration camps to be exterminated? ok... 
Germany didn't do that. And you must provide evident proof that Hitler sent Homosexuals to extermination camps for the sole purpose of killing them BECAUSE of their Homosexuality. And witness testimonies aren't proof.
So you define as "German cistizen" whatver Hiler decided right? All Hitler has to do is declare this or that person a non-citizena dn thats ok by you. Sieg Heil is perfect for you. 
The leader of the country decides. That's his duty. If the president of the US had the freedom to do whatever he wanted - he could make ever Mexican citizen a dual-citizen with the USA. Then they could all come here legally. Fun! Or he could say all Mexicans are not allowed to be citizens. But he doesn't have that freedom. So he can't. But Hitler did have that freedom! And much of Germany AGREED with him! And "Sieg heil is perfect for you" - what does that mean?
Just because Hitler says so yeah we get it. 
Well he was the leader - he could make those laws.
And if they didn't leave then its ok to kill them yeah we get it. So much for "freedom" i guess 
It was never ok to kill them in my eyes. But when you are in someones house and they tell you to leave - you leave. Or they might just get their gun and MAKE you leave. They WERE NOT CITIZENS OF GERMANY - so the laws DID NOT APPLY.
And you think thats RIGHT and shows "MUCH FREEDOM"? uh-huh. whatever the fuhrer says I guess. 
We're talking of the freedoms of German citizens. Regardless - the Germans were happy. You know how our president always walks around with bodyguards? Hitler didn't. He walked around in factories with working men and women. But they didn't attack him. Why would they? I'm sure there are thousands of people that want to kill Obama.
Sure they gave German communists and other "undersirables" a whole SECOND from the time the Nazis got elected 1933 to pack up and leave. read on {SNIP} http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/article.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005263 {SNIP} And sure they just wanted them out of Germany and that is why Hans Frank the governor of Poland appointed by Hitler said in 1940 {SNIP} http://tinyurl.com/9vep4t
Funny how your source is the US Holocaust Memorial Museum. Probably the largest load of shit ever - revisionists love to just disprove the articles, sentence by sentence, on that site. But, really, they didn't even cite their sources. Why should I be led to believe anything they say? And about the quote. I just see a name and date. I tried researching the quote more and didn't find anything on it. Where's the evidence that he said it?
Except that the Nazi idea of freedom is also YOUR idea of freedom while the idea of freedom of the Weimar republic 5 before was obviously different. Otherwise the Nazi would not have had to change the laws and make these laws Decreee in 1933 {SNIP} http://web.jjay.cuny.edu/~jobrien/reference/ob60.html Yay for Freedom of removing freedom of the press, civil liberties, and freedom of expression! hurray to freedom of violation of privacy!!! 
Was only temporary and your cite doesn't really even cite a source - just the US printing office.
------- "One of the Germans... would frequently snatch a child from the woman's arms and... tear the child in half... Such incidents... occurred all the time." - A Year in Treblinka, Yankel Wiernik, Treblinka's "most authoritative eyewitness"
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Quote: from kidd rune at 4:26 pm on Jan. 3, 2009
And then it all made sense. When I saw the biased sources. 
said by the one who kept posting over and over from racialist biased sources.
There was no real claim by Hitler that he wanted all of Europe as his. 
Go look up Lebensraum.
Lebensraum (help·info) (German for "habitat" or literally "living space") served as a major motivation for Nazi Germany's territorial aggression. In his book Mein Kampf, Adolf Hitler detailed his belief that the German people needed Lebensraum (for a Grossdeutschland, land, and raw materials), and that it should be taken in the East..
The acquisition of new soil for the settlement of the excess population possesses an infinite number of advantages, particularly if we turn from the present to the future ... It must be said that such a territorial policy cannot be fulfilled in the Cameroons, but today almost exclusively in Europe
Please don't tell me you never heard of it. That and the fact you didn't know about the 20th July 1944 plot lost you total credibility even as the resident LW NS. Oh and here is a really cool quote from your innocent Hitler who didn't do the Holocaust of course:
Our strength consists in our speed and in our brutality. Genghis Khan led millions of women and children to slaughter, with premeditation and a happy heart. History sees in him solely the founder of a state. It's a matter of indifference to me what a weak western European civilization will say about me. I have issued the command, and I'll have anybody who utters but one word of criticism executed by a firing squad, that our war aim does not consist in reaching certain lines, but in the physical destruction of the enemy. Accordingly, I have placed my death's-head formation in readiness, for the present only in the East, with orders to them to send to death mercilessly and without compassion, men, women, and children of Polish derivation and language. Only thus shall we gain the living space (Lebensraum) which we need.Who, after all, speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians? 
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler
------- "Everyone helpin' each other whenever they can we makin' it happen, from nothin' to somethin' That's how we be survivin'" - BEP
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Quote: from kidd rune at 3:38 pm on Jan. 5, 2009
But many of the known sources your article used have been disproved and their lies have been shown 
Sure because the Holocaust is all a lie and it was proven by a bunch of nazis. Woopdedoo
Where did I say I didn't know of the July 1944 plot? Or did you just ASSUME it like you ALWAYS do?
YOu calimed there were Communists and Anearchists. If you knew about the 1944 plot or didn't pretend it didn't happen you would know what you said was a lie. Then again maybe you did know you lied.
He could have made anything up. 
Sure just like this was made up
In an era when the earth is gradually being divided up among states, some of which embrace almost entire continents, we cannot speak of a world power in connection with a formation whose political mother country is limited to the absurd area of five hundred thousand square kilometers. --- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf 2 
For it is not in colonial acquisitions that we must see the solution of this problem, but exclusively in the acquisition of a territory for settlement, which will enhance the area of the mother country, and hence not only keep the new settlers in the most intimate community with the land of their origin, but secure for the total area those advantages which lie in its unified magnitude. --- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf 3 
http://history1900s.about.com/library/holocaust/aa110899.htm Post edited at 10:48 pm on Jan. 13, 2009 by jakelong
------- "Everyone helpin' each other whenever they can we makin' it happen, from nothin' to somethin' That's how we be survivin'" - BEP
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