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Yes, lol. lol that you would support genocide and cruel oppression over freedom, you degenerate scum.

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No it wouldn't.

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Well it wouldn't it you believe the Nazi's did not advocated and carry out genocide as well as the more minor issues of creating a farce of the German democratic system and abolishing fundamental human rights.

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Jews were killed, mistreated, and persecuted (Wrongfully) under the Third Reich, yes, but going on the side of Germany (Not wanting war) isn't bad at all.

If you didn't already know - Hitler didn't want another World War.

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"One of the Germans... would frequently snatch a child from the
woman's arms and... tear the child in half... Such incidents...
occurred all the time." - A Year in Treblinka, Yankel Wiernik,
Treblinka's "most authoritative eyewitness"

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Well there was much freedom for the German people under the NSDAP

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- Jewish
- Jehovah Witness
- Communist
- Pacifist
- Gypsy
- Freeemason
- Handicapped
- Homosexual
- Catholic or Lutheran clergy

or didn't try to help them escape persecution.

Oh yeah that was really a place of freedom...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clemens_von_Galen

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_victims

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"Everyone helpin' each other whenever they can we makin' it happen, from nothin' to somethin'
That's how we be survivin'" - BEP

Can't say the USSR was any better, of course (it was perhaps worse). But definitely worse than the US or UK during WWII.

Post edited at 9:05 pm on Dec. 28, 2008 by Bud2400

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Don't forget that you'd have an extraordinarily difficult time broadcasting / publishing anti-government, anti-war, etc. stuff in Nazi Germany, too, for all ethnicities during WWII (it was more lenient prior to the outbreak of war).  You weren't arrested for it, but they were censored from all the archival data I've seen on the topic.

Can't say the USSR was any better, of course (it was perhaps worse).  But definitely worse than the US or UK during WWII.

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... going on the side of Germany (Not wanting war) isn't bad at all. ...

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   Basil: Is there something wrong?
   Elder Herr: Will you stop talking about the war?!
   Basil: ME?! You started it!
   Elder Herr: We did not start it!
   Basil: Yes you did - you invaded Poland.

Quote: from kidd rune at 1:40 am on Dec. 29, 2008

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If you didn't already know - Hitler didn't want another World War.

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So long as you were not

- Jewish
- Jehovah Witness
- Communist
- Pacifist
- Gypsy
- Freeemason
- Handicapped
- Homosexual
- Catholic or Lutheran clergy

or didn't try to help them escape persecution.

Oh yeah that was really a place of freedom...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clemens_von_Galen

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_victims

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Don't forget that you'd have an extraordinarily difficult time broadcasting / publishing anti-government, anti-war, etc. stuff in Nazi Germany, too, for all ethnicities during WWII (it was more lenient prior to the outbreak of war). You weren't arrested for it, but they were censored from all the archival data I've seen on the topic.

Can't say the USSR was any better, of course (it was perhaps worse). But definitely worse than the US or UK during WWII.

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If you wanted to talk about any of that you were free to leave and go live somewhere else. They could have put on a Kippah and went to Russia.

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To quote Mr Basil Faulty again:

  Basil: Is there something wrong?
  Elder Herr: Will you stop talking about the war?!
  Basil: ME?! You started it!
  Elder Herr: We did not start it!
  Basil: Yes you did - you invaded Poland.

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Or maybe when the USSR attacked Poland then war should have broken out. But nobody cared. Only when GERMANY "Invaded" Poland it counts.

Funny how you think that nobody wanted to start a war with Germany BEFORE that.

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Irrelevant. That the war erupted as a result of Germany's invasion of Poland and Hitler's quite blatant desire to expand German European territories.

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The only censorship they really had was anything against the German people or the National Socialist ideology.

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Which happened to be opposing all of WWII and/or attacking Hitler for his decisions which led to war?

I'm just saying that this speech was censored in Nazi Germany during WWII whereas it was not in the UK or US during WWII.  Clearly, free speech was rather limited there compared to other places.

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If you wanted to talk about any of that you were free to leave and go live somewhere else. They could have put on a Kippah and went to Russia.

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Seems like a rather ignorant response to criticism and opinions against the Nazi government and opposition to Germany's continuing fighting in WWII, in line with all the other "if you oppose what the government is doing, then GTFO" bullshit.

Seems to me that it's just an attempt by a totalitarian state to rally support behind it and censor those who might popularize what's deemed by the government to be undesireable opinions.

Remember, Hitler believed that the Germans lost WWI because of the popular sentiment for peace, even if that means surrenduring to the Allies (which I believe he thought to have originated by the Jews).  It makes sense why he'd want to censor such opinions during WWII given that he believed that, however, it doesn't make Nazi Germany resemble anything like a "free" state.  Quite the opposite, to be honest.

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So long as you were not

- Jewish
- Jehovah Witness
- Communist
- Pacifist
- Gypsy
- Freeemason
- Handicapped
- Homosexual
- Catholic or Lutheran clergy

or didn't try to help them escape persecution.

Oh yeah that was really a place of freedom...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clemens_von_Galen

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_victims

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You did notice I said "German people" and you can easily group all of them into one group:
Non-German citizens illegally living in Germany that had years of encouragement to leave.

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You are saying that handicapped Germans were illegally living in Germany? So were pacificists, homosexuals, freemasons, and catholic and lutheran priests?

Show me the laws where lutheran priests were encouraged to leave Germany and were considered illegal citizens.

THAT's News to me. Unless you are lying as usual.

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"Everyone helpin' each other whenever they can we makin' it happen, from nothin' to somethin'
That's how we be survivin'" - BEP

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kidd rune you're not suggesting that catholics, lutherans, handicapped people and pacifists are somehow not german are you...man would that be ignorant considering history.

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kidd rune you're not suggesting that catholics, lutherans, handicapped people and pacifists are somehow not german are you...man would that be ignorant considering history.

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Refer to my avatar. Blut und Boden.
Blood and soil.

Germany is for Germanic people.

"Handicapped people" were usually "Mercy killed" or would have been aborted if they had the technology of today.

That's called Eugenics and plenty of countries did it.

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       So long as you were not

       - Jewish
       - Jehovah Witness
       - Communist
       - Pacifist
       - Gypsy
       - Freeemason
       - Handicapped
       - Homosexual
       - Catholic or Lutheran clergy

       or didn't try to help them escape persecution.

       Oh yeah that was really a place of freedom...

       http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clemens_von_Galen

       http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_victims

   You did notice I said "German people" and you can easily group all of them into one group:
   Non-German citizens illegally living in Germany that had years of encouragement to leave.

You are saying that handicapped Germans were illegally living in Germany? So were pacificists, homosexuals, freemasons, and catholic and lutheran priests?

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The Pacifists were trying to stop the war, obviously, no government wants that.

Homosexuals weren't liked much anywhere.

Freemasons? Well if you read it told them to leave Germany.
They didn't.

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Show me the laws where lutheran priests were encouraged to leave Germany and were considered illegal citizens.

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KR is the definition of ignorant

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The definition of "German" was different than what you call it.

Refer to my avatar. Blut und Boden.
Blood and soil.

Germany is for Germanic people.

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"Handicapped people" were usually "Mercy killed" or would have been aborted if they had the technology of today.

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That's called Eugenics and plenty of countries did it.

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The Pacifists were trying to stop the war, obviously, no government wants that.

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Well there was much freedom for the German people under the NSDAP

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Homosexuals weren't liked much anywhere.

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Freemasons? Well if you read it told them to leave Germany.
They didn't.

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Show me real proof that there was a planned extermination of Lutherans.

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Funny how YOU don't know anything about what you're talking about.

Or maybe you don't understand the meaning of Freedom.   Same thing.

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"Everyone helpin' each other whenever they can we makin' it happen, from nothin' to somethin'
That's how we be survivin'" - BEP

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Sieg Heil!

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Were they not Ger,mns with a right to live in Germany? Guess not.

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Not on the same scale as the efficient Germans...

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Wait didn't you claim earlier that Hitler did not want war and that it was "forced" on him? He should have LOVED pacifists. Besides they were Germans and didn't you say that

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So yeah "freedom" except if you are pacifist?

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"Freedom" except if you're homosexual?

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Weren't they German? "freedom" except if you're Freemason?

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You do know he didn't just say "Leave or die" - he ENCOURAGED them to leave and there were different places set up for Germans.

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Who spoke of "planned extermination here? We are showing the wonderful "freedom" extended to Germans who for some reason were not Nazis.

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Funny how YOU don't know anything about what you're talking about.

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Or maybe you don't understand the meaning of Freedom.   Same thing.

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