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Is it really right to continue lying to kids about Santa Clause?
Replies: 111Last Post Dec. 23, 2008 11:24am by exceedinglyrare
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I had some trouble trusting my parents after I found out, and I remember the moment still because it really shook my perception of reality. Before learning about sex and Santa, I was determined that there had to be a God and that the miracle of how when couples fell in love babies just came, and how Santa did what he did were both solid proof.

I was really hurt to realize that I couldn't trust my parents anymore and will always remember that exact moment in third grade. It was kind of horrible.

Besides that, there's really no explaining why Santa always thinks your rich friends have been much more good this year than you. I don't even like the message "You should be a good person because you'll be rewarded with presents" but that just makes it worse.

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Have you seen "Miracle on 34th Street"?

I guess I kind of figured it out on my own.  My parents never told me there was no santa.

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I know people justify it with "We're giving kids happiness by shielding them from the truth" but to me that's worse.

"Good news sir, your wife is miraculously unharmed! No, no, I'm kidding, she's dead but  I'm glad to have given you that moment of joy."

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Quote: from matto at 6:53 pm on Dec. 14, 2008

Have you seen "Miracle on 34th Street"?

I guess I kind of figured it out on my own. My parents never told me there was no santa.


Almost no one's parents tell them, most of us had to learn the truth from other sources.

no I don't think I've seen that

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The original is a classic.  It makes the argument that pretending that santa clause is real is no different than any of the other imaginary games that children play, and that there is nothing wrong with childhood adventurism and fantasy and lack of truth.  I don't see any harm in children believing in santa, other than the blind consumerism that results.

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I don't know...I think I asked my parents because I always knew it wasn't real. I never believed them in the first place. I just don't think they were very convincing liars.
When I have kids I'm not gonna tell them Santa is real.

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Quote: from matto at 6:58 pm on Dec. 14, 2008

The original is a classic. It makes the argument that pretending that santa clause is real is no different than any of the other imaginary games that children play, and that there is nothing wrong with childhood adventurism and fantasy and lack of truth. I don't see any harm in children believing in santa, other than the blind consumerism that results.
Here's the thing: When kids play imaginary games, they KNOW it's just pretend.

The Santa lie is outright deception.

There is no lack of truth when they read about the princess and the pea or play those types of games.

Plus, how is a judgmental fat man giving you presents better than your parents giving you presents, other than that it's easier to threaten your kids with fat man because they're more likely to believe that he'll actually withhold your presents?

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Quote: from blackbandaid at 6:59 pm on Dec. 14, 2008

I don't know...I think I asked my parents because I always knew it wasn't real. I never believed them in the first place. I just don't think they were very convincing liars.
When I have kids I'm not gonna tell them Santa is real.

When I asked my parents about plotholes they continued to exaggerate the lie. They never, ever owned up to lying to me and distorting my perception of reality.

People are going to, as always, accuse me of being overdramatic but it was like a big thing for me.

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Also, I think it would be easier if kids were taught from the start what an animal's death really was so they could accept it as reality rather than making them try to kid themselves for years that their dog went to heaven.

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Quote: from Its Bearsy Bitch at 4:10 pm on Dec. 15, 2008

Also, I think it would be easier if kids were taught from the start what an animal's death really was so they could accept it as reality rather than making them try to kid themselves for years that their dog went to heaven.

It has indeed been proven that it is damaging to tell young children that 'Mummy's gone to sleep for a long time' etc. and other euphemisms, because they get confused, and also can become very afraid of going to sleep, even later in life when they know the truth. It only makes the mystery of death worse, when it is shrouded in euphemisms and lies.

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I don't really see the point of Santa Claus, or any of those figures, like the Tooth Fairy..

I've never believed in such things. So maybe I'm biased.


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Quote: from matto at 6:58 pm on Dec. 14, 2008

The original is a classic.  It makes the argument that pretending that santa clause is real is no different than any of the other imaginary games that children play, and that there is nothing wrong with childhood adventurism and fantasy and lack of truth.  I don't see any harm in children believing in santa, other than the blind consumerism that results.

Where's adventurism and fantasy in a myth that they didn't create?


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After my father died, I stopped believing in pretty much everything.

I was always that kid who asked questions like "How does Santa climb down chimneys? He's fat, after all. Not even a normal-sized person could fit through there?" and "Why does he take the trouble to climb down chimneys when he could just come in the front door?" and "There's no possible way he could fly to every house in the world in one night." and "What does Santa even have to do with Christmas?"

My mom didn't even bother to try to answer my questions.

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Quote: from airemaye at 8:22 pm on Dec. 14, 2008

After my father died, I stopped believing in pretty much everything.  

I was always that kid who asked questions like "How does Santa climb down chimneys? He's fat, after all. Not even a normal-sized person could fit through there?" and "Why does he take the trouble to climb down chimneys when he could just come in the front door?" and "There's no possible way he could fly to every house in the world in one night." and "What does Santa even have to do with Christmas?"

My mom didn't even bother to try to answer my questions.


My mom always answered that stuff "magic"

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It's no different than teaching any other cultural lie, like 'the policeman will always help you', 'your teachers are always right', 'going to college will get you a job', 'homeless people are crazy', 'gay people are going to hell', etc etc.  It might even be less damaging, because it doesn't impact interactions with other people.  People like to believe things, and they like to pass beliefs on in the hopes that their children will like believing them.

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