1. we need to seriously overhaul the ehelp system

-the suicide guideline needs to go, i've never had anyone demonstrate that this needs to actually be there other than assorted fear mongering

-standards for support leaders need to be much higher

-standards for what CAN go in ehelp need to be much higher, because letting anything and everything into ehelp discourages people who need serious help from seeking support

-there needs to be, again, a feature to move less serious queries to teen dating and relationships, friends and family, etc, including guests

2. we need to start encouraging older members to stay and come back

-the moderation of this site needs to quit taking stuff like harassment so seriously, as long as it isnt blatant constant cruel personal attacks for weeks on end, kind of how it was a few years ago. a few door bitch types (i stole this from tim) keep the noobs at bay

-We need to allow encouraging harm in non-support forums

-we should split up DTRM into a spam forum where you can post BS and 4chan crap and a deep thoughts forum where you post funny random stuff

-theres gotta be other ways but i cant think of any right now

IT WOULDNT BE PERFECT but itd be cool

3. also the oversight board needs to be overhauled, its mostly clueless noobs on it, bump the number to 8 with 5-6 votes needed, make it necessary to be in LMOY to get on the oversight board, discard or up the penalties requirement because most older members have at least some

4. there need to be better ways to relay suggestions to david, IMO he should focus more on getting this back to support and server stuff should be secondary because the support is totally fucked

5. SOMEONE else's idea, we have a designated forum zone thing with 'teen, support, and tech', while dissolving the college forums into a few sub forums under 'support'

6. being able to communicate better in the MER's. PLEASE. the MER system fucking sucks

7. being banned needs to be a more serious thing, it should take a LOT to get banned, a lot more than now, and you shouldnt be allowed back for awhile

uh yeah

Post edited at 8:43 pm on Dec. 14, 2008 by iconoclast

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Post edited at 10:27 am on Dec. 14, 2008 by acausedelle

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I agree even more with the splitting of the DTRM.

Firstly into the "I don't know where to put this" side, then into the funny random stuff, then into the 4chanisms.

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I don't really see how we can judge the importance of someone else's situation. It may not be serious or urgent to us, but it can be a whole different story to the OP.

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AND we have to make some sacrifices to keep ehelp being about support, im sorry its just the truth

but we can minimize that sacrifice by being able to MOVE the ones that dont belong there instead of deleting them

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Hmmm... I agree with the eHelp things. Some SLs are unsupportive. It is sad when old members leave, but we can't really stop them can we?
DTRM needs something. Its massive. I'm not sure about the 4chan idea though.
I don't really see the point in 5. Hardly anyone uses the tech forums anyway.

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we can discourage old people from leaving by not making this site old-member unfriendly as much

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I completely agree with a fyad style no-points spam forum.

Post edited at 10:18 pm on Dec. 14, 2008 by Praise the Lard

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I think there needs to be a second administrator. David should just do tech crap, because he really just ignores actual suggestions for the forums.

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there was a second admin named reid, but when he left, lw had just one lung to breath with.

Post edited at 11:04 pm on Dec. 14, 2008 by 80Kidz

congrats on being supportive, its nice to see again

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Also if you're 100 or more days active the number of misconduct reports you could send in could be increased to 10 or something.

catacomb i was talking about people who are ACTUALLY a serious problem on this website, not just trolls and whatnot, we shouldn't just let them back in seven days

i guess we could have the oversight board be either guru or LMOY to account for alts with a lot of points, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT

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I think that we should allow suicide ehelps, but topics should not be allowed on the regular forums. Members can be jerks, to put it bluntly. And only allowing support leaders to respond will make sure members don't upset someone in a fragile state. I can see the harm in allowing them around the regular forums, unfortunately.

We're pretty strict with support leaders. The applications are good, it's the member not having the same quality of replies in ehelp as they did on their application. Which is frustrating. However, we do want to try to work with members and see if we can keep them on as support leaders rather than just demoting them right away.

I'm torn about moving ehelps. I can definitely see why it would help, ehelp gets crowded with less serious members and that takes attention away from the more serious requests. But the members submitted an ehelp to get that quality advice which is offered by support leaders. So I would support moving them IF we could find a way to get support leaders to pay more attention to the serious forum. Then the requests could be moved there without having the member lose anything.

2) I would love to have more older members stay. But I'm not sure how much of their leaving is due to LW and how much is just due to the fact that they're older.

I would not oppose a divide. I think spam is important and helps members bond and have a good time. Which encourages them to stick around longer. But I don't like that topics with depth get ignored in favor of topics which  are just, "50 pOiNtS tO tHe 75Th PoStEr!!1" Having the actual deep thought posts get attention would be great.

We do take encouraging harm more lightly outside of the support forums. And I really wouldn't mind not moderating it in DTRM. But I think it's best moderated in every other forum to be safe.

3) The OB is kind of a joke. I can think of only one time when it was actually justified in suspending a moderator(bballash).

However, I would love to have the OB be a volunteer position. Members can sign up if they want to do it. Then have it last a month rather than a week. And at the end of the month, feedback is anonymously sent from them to each moderator to help them improve. Or whichever moderators they feel needs feedback. I think that system would make the OB have a better purpose here rather than just sitting there, poking through mod stuff for fun. :/

4) I would love to see a feedback system similar to the bug report thing. Then each suggestion can be voted on by members and David can review the suggestions and either delete them with some justification. Or implement them.

5) I see why you want this but I have to disagree. Some support topics only get responses because of their location on the forums. Being near the "fun" forums draws attention to them so members are encouraged to look and hopefully reply. So I don't really want to see those forums hidden at all.

6) I agree with MERs. I really hate that some mods use the automatic closings for them. If members take the time to submit a MER, we should take the time to properly review it and respond to what the member has said. I wish David would eliminate the auto closing, other than the troll/PBM one which we can use for AC.

7) DON'T EVEN GET ME STARTED HERE. I don't like how easily we ban and I oppose most bans unless they're really solid. I would like to be tougher about pardoning members, but I'm hesitant to be when it seems as though bans come to easily. Sometimes because mods assume stuff about members rather than giving another chance for the member to change. But yeah, you have support there. :)

I might add to this later. I didn't comment on the harassment thing. I will later though. Hope this feedback helps though.

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