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Brush up your Shakespeare
Replies: 50Last Post Dec. 26, 2008 10:52am by TeaPotHead
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I did. You're still claiming that they are as widely studied "at least at third level."

So prove it. I'll wait.

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jesus christ. You are saying the 2 plays i mentioned are not nearly as studied as rome and juliet etc.

I'm saying that not nearly is far too strong a word and that they are indeed widely studied.

im not willing to go searching through american prospectuses but considering all irish unios study them and the 3 unis in the uk study them that i looked at i think its safe to consider that most us unis would study them.

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Quote: from ElephantStone at 2:41 pm on Dec. 25, 2008

jesus christ. You are saying the 2 plays i mentioned are not nearly as studied as rome and juliet etc.

I'm saying that not nearly is far too strong a word and that they are indeed widely studied.

im not willing to go searching through american prospectuses but considering all irish unios study them and the 3 unis in the uk study them that i looked at i think its safe to consider that most us unis would study them.


Assumptions only fly in the retard forums. I suggest you back up your assumption or concede the point.

Furthermore, even if they are studied in a lot of universities? Romeo & Juliet and Hamlet are studied by every high school student ever (and I know this from taking steps towards getting my M.Ed.), so they're certainly far more widely known and studied than Julius Caesar and Richard III.

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Well although many schools seem to neglect the sonnets, they're done with good reason since many of the Shakespearean sonnets are risque and have to do with women. There are no PG-13 movies allowed in school (for the most part) so those sonnets are obviously pushing it in writing form.

As for the focus on tragedy, my school doesn't discriminate since we are equally studying Hamlet and Twelfth Night, however as I think over the years, we have focused on his tragic plays more. Teachers think that their students will have more to talk about in reference to the complexity. More of Shakespeare's timeless plays are tragic as well, which make it hard to say they purposefully discriminate.

Edit: didn't get to finish the last sentence.

Post edited at 4:41 pm on Dec. 25, 2008 by Aria of Silence

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Quote: from Aria of Silence at 7:40 pm on Dec. 25, 2008

Well although many schools seem to neglect the sonnets, they're done with good reason since many of the Shakespearean sonnets are risque and have to do with women. There are no PG-13 movies allowed in school (for the most part) so those sonnets are obviously pushing it in writing form.

As for the focus on tragedy, my school doesn't discriminate since we are equally studying Hamlet and Twelfth Night, however as I think over the years, we have focused on his tragic plays more. Teachers think that their students will have more to talk about in reference to the complexity. More of Shakespeare's timeless plays are tragic as well, which make it hard to say they purposefully discriminate.

Edit: didn't get to finish the last sentence.


What makes a play "timeless?" I'd say that Much Ado About Nothing, A Midsummer Night's Dream, The Tempest and Twelfth Night are all as timeless as Romeo & Juliet and Hamlet, and more than several of the other tragedies--how are you defining timeless here?

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I think if you take into account the words of the late Kurt Vonnegut you may, be less confused as to why english  teachers prefer to study such depressing or tragic texts, be they written by the bard, or a more modern writer

"Be a sadist. No matter how sweet and innocent your leading characters, make awful things happen to them in order that the reader may see what they are made of. "

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