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I was using the actions of psychotic as an example to try and show that the immediate wants of person with mental illness is not necessarily the best course of action to follow, even at the expense of their immediate happiness when safety and long-term happiness are at stake. My idea of "making aid available" seems to be your idea of shoving help down someone's throats. If someone has attempted suicide and failed, they should be made to receive psychiatric help. I don't see where I've switched around. this argument is stupid because it's pointless, acheiving nothing, and you are a frustrating person.
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Quote: from Just another kid at 6:42 pm on Jan. 9, 2009
 what about if it is a child, say six years old, who decides to kill themselves. is that the same case, or would you advocate intervention?
If a six year old decided to kill themselves, I would seriously doubt that they were serious, and they wanted attention. I think the option should be available for help, and the problem with picking a six year old is that they barely have any thinking development at all, in otherwords, they don't have the capacity to decide yet, but when your mind has matured enough to seriously contemplate suicide, not as a cry for help, then it is wrong to intervene. But to be honest, you know it's unrealistic for a six year old to contemplate suicide seriously.
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I'll just say that I completely disagree with Fauna in the area that 'mental illness should be left up to the mental health field and the professionals'. There's a certain dogma in this field and refusing to acknowledge other ideas, even if they lack obvious scientific 'evidence' (partly because the focus in mental health is on the brain, hard to prove these things, etc), can be very harmful. I also agree with lack of intervention if the person doesn't want it (provided they are not a danger to OTHERS). I mean seriously, we want it all. We piss and moan when people become suicidal, at least in PART due to the cold, bleak nature of our society, but don't even let them go. I think in the long term, forcing people to live is actually a bad thing because it gives people an easy way to just blow off the problem (If he's 'mentally ill', stick him in the hospital, give him drugs, etc.) Nowhere are people forced to deal with the action itself. If people were allowed to commit suicide and their family couldn't do anything, maybe they'd, at least eventually, interact with them on a more sensible basis and get to the root of the problem. Not allowing some cheap shot "intervention" forces people to directly deal with the problem, as much of a pain it probably would be for awhile. I mean, just picture it this way. Instead of thinking "we can get him some help", people would think "He can kill him/herself, and it could really actually happen, and we can't force him/her not to, so we're going to need to think of a better way" If society offered real help, and people weren't such fucking morons in the place, then most people wouldn't get as far as they do. Instituting policies that forbid intervention unless the party request it might cost a few lives in the short term, but honestly, it's not our responsibility to save someones life just because it *might* be better in the long term. It's our responsibility to help sway people away from suicide without violating their human rights, especially early on. Depression is a serious negative reaction to a number of psychological and environmental factors, but that doesn't make it abnormal. It's normal given what people go through, but it's definitely still a very bad thing. Post edited at 7:12 pm on Jan. 9, 2009 by iconoclast
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I agree with prisoner of hss. It's actually against the law to kill yourself. Attempting can be (but most of the time is not) tried as attempted murder. If someone is miserable enough to think that a permanant solution is the only way to deal with their situation then isn't it inhumane to stop them?
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