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Replies: 18 Last Post Mar. 20 8:49pm by mikeyb
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( Mein Alias )
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I live in Florida, and among my conversations I have learned that the vast majority of people believe that this country was founded by religious people with the intent of serving the people through religion. I believe this is false, as it's been stated that the belief of many of the founding fathers are superfluous at best. I would consider a separation of Church and State being that, something from any religious texts cannot be provided in order to support or deny regulation, but can be manifested in the people calling the shots. So, whereas in my philosophy no Bible verse could be pulled in order to make Abortion illegal, people who believe that the Bible regulates this may defend the aforementioned action to the grave. Also, this means that no figure from any religion, or religion as a whole, can be present on government property or in a symbol that the American government endorses. I've thought about this for awhile and believe it is the most fair order that would be possible regarding religion and politics. However, no one besides my family agrees and flat out thinks that we should govern based on Christianity, the most popular belief system in the USA.
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smartlake
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Just because a passage from the Bible is used does not mean that we are pushing religion down people's throats or that the message of it should be totally disregarded. (I wasn't referring to the OP necessarily). We have freedom of religion, not necessarily freedom from religion.
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roflfuckyou
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I am a secularist, and so I want church and state to be separated. I think laws, the education system and all of that are largely influenced by the church and it really annoys me. Not all of us are religious and I think it's about time we step out of the Church's shadow.
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medjai
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Freedom of religion requires freedom from religion.
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3:16 am on Jan. 22, 2009 | Joined: Nov. 2003 | Days Active: 1,604 Join to learn more about medjai California, United States | Straight Male | Posts: 17,294 | Points: 40,118
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imatwirp
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I totally agree with you, however I must point out one tiny little flaw from your statements. If we cannot use religion in any issues, what do we do then? How are we to decide what is right, and what is wrong? Do we let a 3rd party bystander decide for us who has no interest in the topic, or do we use our gut feelings (religious morals) to decide. I believe morals are what teach us right and wrong, however we cannot push our morals onto anyone else. I also believe that every being has the right to LIFE, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. So if a guy comes into my house and kills my sister and my dog, he should be brought up on charges for two crimes, murder of the girl, and murder of the dog. (Neither I have.) Just making a point. But what I am getting at, is that the moment you deny another being life, or liberty, or pursuit of happiness, you have just given up your own rights, because you have taken away from someone else, thus justice says you lose your rights as well.
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Elm
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Quote: from Mein Alias at 2:01 pm on Jan. 9, 2009
I live in Florida, and among my conversations I have learned that the vast majority of people believe that this country was founded by religious people with the intent of serving the people through religion. I believe this is false, as it's been stated that the belief of many of the founding fathers are superfluous at best. I would consider a separation of Church and State being that, something from any religious texts cannot be provided in order to support or deny regulation, but can be manifested in the people calling the shots. So, whereas in my philosophy no Bible verse could be pulled in order to make Abortion illegal, people who believe that the Bible regulates this may defend the aforementioned action to the grave. Also, this means that no figure from any religion, or religion as a whole, can be present on government property or in a symbol that the American government endorses. I've thought about this for awhile and believe it is the most fair order that would be possible regarding religion and politics. However, no one besides my family agrees and flat out thinks that we should govern based on Christianity, the most popular belief system in the USA. 
This country most populated by religious people (at first) wanting to do so, it was not founded on that belief. Those who believe we should govern on Christianity because it is the most popular - would they rethink their belief once some other religion were to become the most popular and therefore it is then ok to make them abide by the belief of others? I think not. Government and religion when mixed always serve to corrupt both. As a pastor I cannot tolerate any congregation of the two.
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sydneysue13
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I definitely think Church and State should be separated. While it may be true that our nation was founded by mostly religious people, the ideas the Founding Fathers had included freedom of religion seeing as religion posed a problem for other countries in the past. The United States was intended to be the "Land of Liberty" including the liberty to choose one's religious beliefs. I don't believe schools should teach creation-based science or sex-ed based on abstinence. I believe that schools should only teach facts and things that are definitely known. Theories are welcomed, it's good to learn things from all different perspectives, but no theory such as creationism should be taught as fact in a government run school.
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libertine
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while i am in favour of (pretty much total) separation of church and state, i am also in favour of democracy. denying religious representatives the same voice that is given to everyone else by saying "no figure from any religion, or religion as a whole, can be present on government property" is just fucking ridiculous, undemocratic, and totally against the principles of liberty.
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Marty3
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If, for example, the President was a religious Christian, then there would be a chance that s/he wouldn't make the right decision based on something from the Bible. There is a growing number of people that believe that religion is just a form of controlling people without the people realising it- i.e. if you're good you go to heaven, but if you're bad, you go to Hell, in the case of Christianity. The ruling person of a country shouldn't have anything like that influencing him/her.
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Gamelander
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I do believe that the Church and the State should be two separate entities. Although, with the case of my country (the Philippines), I doubt that that's ever going to happen. Based on our culture and history, religion has been a major part of how we live our lives. In my opinion, that isn't necessarily a good thing. There are times that it really shows that the Church has a more powerful hold on the people than the government do here in the Philippines. No matter what the Church says, the government listens. So, in essence we sometimes end up being ruled by the Church rather than the government. The majority of the Philippines is under the Roman Catholic Religion, but considering 1/3 of the Philippines (Mindanao) is mostly composed of Muslims, I'm sure this may seem unfair to them. Christians and Muslims as we should all know haven't had the best record when it comes to agreeing to terms. In conclusion, the government, for me, should be separate from the church. The church should then take charge of the people of the church and not of the country.
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