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Quote: from smartlake at 1:26 am on Jan. 11, 2009

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Quote: from asia lover at 1:23 am on Jan. 11, 2009

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Quote: from smartlake at 1:22 am on Jan. 11, 2009

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I agree with Gandhi:    

  "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."

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Oh that is the other thing I noticed. A lot of people are getting on Jesus' case. He was a good man, and had a good heart. But a lot of people are pinning what happened throughout history on him.

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 There are a lot of ignorant Christians, and a lot of people ignortant ABOUT Christianity (both Christians and non-Christians).  

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lol that is my family right there. Mom's side, super fundamentalist, takes the Bible extremely literally and damns many many people, then my dad's side, very agnostic/atheist, does not think of Christians as good people.  
I am stuck in the middle of the two.

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Yeah, I am in the middle too.  I am kinda leaning more on the side of your Dad's family concerning Christians themselves, not the actual religion.  Well, on the ignorant factor.  I had to explain to this lady that saying "Xmas" was not offensive and has a deep historic basis--that is what confirmed my thinking that a lot of Christians are ignorant about their religion.  
Also, a lot of Christians from a certain region of the US *coughthesouthcough* seem to pick and chose which of the 10 commandments they think are the most important.  That is a whole other issue, though.

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Not really. Much as there's now a very vocal uprising against Christianity, in places like the US it's exactly because it still holds a stranglehold. When was the last time anyone non-christian was even elected to an office of any importance in the states?  

Simply put, the reason we're all so harsh on Christianity is because it's still the majority. Much as it wants to cry oppression now that people are fighting back.

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Uhh, that makes no sense. This is a democracy. That means the people choose who they elect. Obviously if Christians are the only ones winning then the people want Christians. It's not like that evil little sect of Christians is manipulating the vote and rigging elections.

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Quote: from evil bamboo at 1:25 am on Jan. 11, 2009

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Not really. Much as there's now a very vocal uprising against Christianity, in places like the US it's exactly because it still holds a stranglehold. When was the last time anyone non-christian was even elected to an office of any importance in the states?

 Simply put, the reason we're all so harsh on Christianity is because it's still the majority. Much as it wants to cry oppression now that people are fighting back.

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Uhh, that makes no sense. This is a democracy. That means the people choose who they elect. Obviously if Christians are the only ones winning then the people want Christians. It's not like that evil little sect of Christians is manipulating the vote and rigging elections.

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I the UK, members of a certain a sect of Christianity, can't hold a possession of power. That sect is Catholicism. This goes back to the Elisabeth the first.  

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Quote: from evil bamboo at 1:25 am on Jan. 11, 2009

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Not really. Much as there's now a very vocal uprising against Christianity, in places like the US it's exactly because it still holds a stranglehold. When was the last time anyone non-christian was even elected to an office of any importance in the states?

 Simply put, the reason we're all so harsh on Christianity is because it's still the majority. Much as it wants to cry oppression now that people are fighting back.

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Uhh, that makes no sense. This is a democracy. That means the people choose who they elect. Obviously if Christians are the only ones winning then the people want Christians. It's not like that evil little sect of Christians is manipulating the vote and rigging elections.

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It is when the only reason the candidate one is because a majority of Christians would rather vote for an unqualified Christian than a perfectly qualified Atheist. It depressed me when I saw a poll that more than a majority of people wouldn't vote for a qualified Atheist.

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Sure they may have of been a bunch of zealots in the past, but lately I feel as though the Christians have been suffering for something that they are not totally responsible for.
I can understand the dislike of the fundamentalists, but I think we are starting to categorize all of them like that. What do you think golivewire?
I guess this could apply to all religions groups in a way.

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Maybe we could try to condemn behaviors as opposed to 'groups?'

Let's try opposing people, no matter their association of beliefs, who:

1. Condone violence as a means for furthering peace or belief,
2. Judge others when they lack perfection,
3. Forcefully proselytize ideas that they cannot prove,
4. Choose dogma over fellow human beings,
5. Hate women,
6. Are bigots,
7. Would rather convert than feed the poor,
8. Support wars,
9. Campaign against science, and
10. Marginalize opposing beliefs.

When we speak in platitudes or lump people together into 'categories' we marginalize everyone's humanity and contribution.

Btw...Christians cry loudly about oppression...what oppression?  Are they being physically attacked, like gay people are?  Are they losing their jobs for their belief like some atheist have?  No, they are only being forced to defend their superstitious beliefs.  That is hardly oppression.

Post edited at 5:17 am on Jan. 11, 2009 by LogicandReason

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Quote: from NikkiG posted at 12:54 pm on Jan. 11, 2009

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^ You live in Canada. Worry about what Canadians do and not what Americans do. The people have spoken and they dont want an Atheist president.

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i. US politics only affected US citizens;
ii. Popularity held any ethical value;
iii. Merely being associated with one nationality meant you care nothing for those of another nationality.

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I agree with Gandhi:

"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."

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Smart man, that Gandhi.

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Quote: from smartlake at 3:22 am on Jan. 11, 2009

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I agree with Gandhi:  

 "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."

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Smart man, that Gandhi.

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We've doctored his history a bit.  He was a die hard Hindu who promoted people siting at the spinning wheel and tried to thwart modernity.  While I completely respect his example of 'civil disobedience' as a political demonstration of peace and unity, I don't want Gandhi, our intentional object, to be seen beyond the human that he was.

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