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Its a made up "sickness" to describe someone who is sad, and almost by labeling them as depressed, makes them more depressed? Maybe not the right way to look at it, but to me its just someone going through a hard time, unable to see the light at the end of the tunnel. And depression pills what are they made of? Just a lot of serotonin to make you happy or wut?

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IF, and that's the word here, IF you heard of 1 of your friends that he/she wanted to jump off a bridge/"cliff" to end their life because they were "depressed", and all of a sudden a few days later IT HAPPENED, what the hell would you think of then???

that depression is a lie???

Sicosys,

go find out the TRUE meaning of life.

Post edited at 5:03 pm on Jan. 10, 2009 by SAMMYJS99

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Troll?

Everyone gets sad, but those with clinical depression have a pathological, biologically-rooted tendency towards it.

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Also from a scientific perspective people suffering from depression have a lower Dopamine level in there Brain chemistry.

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Quote: from yellowsapphire at 8:00 pm on Jan. 10, 2009

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No, it isn't fake.  

 It is an actual illness. Depression is basically a chemical inbalance in the brain.  

 If you think it should be re-classed, please contact senior doctors and make known your viewpoint, I would be interested to see their response to your claim.

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You're lying but telling the truth, technically.

It's possible that there are changes in the brain, but this points to nothing other than "people who have changing psychological states have corresponding changes in the brain", just like someone who constantly is extremely happy would have changes in the brain.

So, it's an effect, not a cause.

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Hehe, you know what I mean. I was scaling it down to layman's terms, as it were.  

I've known people - including my local vicar - who at certain times of their life get debilitating clinical depression. Depression isn't just about being "sad" - it's about being so depressed that you can't even get out of bed anymore.

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Stop making statements witno facts backing them up, there is plenty of proof of depression being real, depression isnt just a case of 'being sad' people with depression have terrible self-esteem, can become issolated from society and stop eating, and in some cases attempted suicide.

Also from a scientific perspective people suffering from depression have a lower Dopamine level in there Brain chemistry.

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Your statement is completely empty.

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Yeah.

The condition is 'fake' in that it doesn't exist as a legitimate medical diagnosis, but it's very real as an emotional problem, as are all mental disorders.

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The DSM-IV criteria has been heavily criticised as to whether or not such conditions really exist and the psychological factor in itself. I don't doubt people can feel extremely sad or 'depressed' but if it merits a medical diagnosis is the point here.

No, the pills don't contain serotonin, but instead help to increase serotonin concentration by preventing its reuptake.

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Yeah.  

The condition is 'fake' in that it doesn't exist as a legitimate medical diagnosis, but it's very real as an emotional problem, as are all mental disorders.

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What's the difference between a medical disorder and a mental disorder? Is the latter any more controllable and/or real/fake than the former? Is the latter not a form of the former?

Post edited at 5:05 pm on Jan. 10, 2009 by Majo

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Quote: from prisoner of hss at 8:02 pm on Jan. 10, 2009

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Quote: from marshmellowman at 8:01 pm on Jan. 10, 2009

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The DSM-IV criteria has been heavily criticised as to whether or not such conditions really exist and the psychological factor in itself. I don't doubt people can feel extremely sad or 'depressed' but if it merits a medical diagnosis is the point here.  

 No, the pills don't contain serotonin, but instead help to increase serotonin concentration by preventing its reuptake.

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Yeah.

The condition is 'fake' in that it doesn't exist as a legitimate medical diagnosis, but it's very real as an emotional problem, as are all mental disorders.

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Is the latter not a form of the former?

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NOW, i am really confused.

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Are you a troll or just an absolute douche?

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Quote: from yellowsapphire at 8:00 pm on Jan. 10, 2009

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No, it isn't fake.

  It is an actual illness. Depression is basically a chemical inbalance in the brain.

  If you think it should be re-classed, please contact senior doctors and make known your viewpoint, I would be interested to see their response to your claim.

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You're lying but telling the truth, technically.  

 It's possible that there are changes in the brain, but this points to nothing other than "people who have changing psychological states have corresponding changes in the brain", just like someone who constantly is extremely happy would have changes in the brain.  

 So, it's an effect, not a cause.

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Hehe, you know what I mean. I was scaling it down to layman's terms, as it were.  

I've known people - including my local vicar - who at certain times of their life get debilitating clinical depression. Depression isn't just about being "sad" - it's about being so depressed that you can't even get out of bed anymore.

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Quote: from prisoner of hss at 8:02 pm on Jan. 10, 2009

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Quote: from marshmellowman at 8:01 pm on Jan. 10, 2009

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The DSM-IV criteria has been heavily criticised as to whether or not such conditions really exist and the psychological factor in itself. I don't doubt people can feel extremely sad or 'depressed' but if it merits a medical diagnosis is the point here.  

  No, the pills don't contain serotonin, but instead help to increase serotonin concentration by preventing its reuptake.

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Yeah.    

 The condition is 'fake' in that it doesn't exist as a legitimate medical diagnosis, but it's very real as an emotional problem, as are all mental disorders.

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 Is the latter not a form of the former?

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NOW, i am really confused.

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XD

The guy I was responding to said that it's not a "legitimate medical diagnosis" but referred to it as a mental disorder...and I was just wondering how the latter (mental disorders) differs from the former (medical disorders)? Because the mind is a part of the body and it can get "sick" just like any other part like your liver or heart or kidneys and needs treated. At least that's how it was put to me anyways.

I mean...if a mental disorder isn't a medical disorder, what is it? It's kind of hard to explain...like...how is it an entirely different beast?

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Post edited at 5:10 pm on Jan. 10, 2009 by Parsine

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Quote: from yellowsapphire at 8:04 pm on Jan. 10, 2009

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Quote: from prisoner of hss at 1:01 am on Jan. 11, 2009

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Quote: from yellowsapphire at 8:00 pm on Jan. 10, 2009

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No, it isn't fake.    

  It is an actual illness. Depression is basically a chemical inbalance in the brain.    

  If you think it should be re-classed, please contact senior doctors and make known your viewpoint, I would be interested to see their response to your claim.

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You're lying but telling the truth, technically.

  It's possible that there are changes in the brain, but this points to nothing other than "people who have changing psychological states have corresponding changes in the brain", just like someone who constantly is extremely happy would have changes in the brain.

  So, it's an effect, not a cause.

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 Hehe, you know what I mean. I was scaling it down to layman's terms, as it were.  

 I've known people - including my local vicar - who at certain times of their life get debilitating clinical depression. Depression isn't just about being "sad" - it's about being so depressed that you can't even get out of bed anymore.

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It doesn't really matter how bad it is. I've had "clinical depression" before, and I know how fucking bad it is. Mind you, this wasn't some transient phase, it was four years of absolute hell. Psychological states can completely drag a person down, and since the process of feeling is more subtle, it's often hard to change. It doesn't mean there's a 'chemical imbalance' or something.

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I'm not trying to belittle you, don't worry  

Depression nearly broke my family up when I was younger, when my dad had a particularly bad spell.

However, just a little bit of food for thought here, not a big point as such, but is an illness just something on the surface, or does it include psychological health too?