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Replies: 46 — Last Post Jan. 9 6:54pm by Lady Catastrophic
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By believing in theism, most people generally agree that there is one God and he created this universe, the earth, and the people on that. Following that belief one would say that if that is true, then you would believe he created your life to be executed out in the precise way it has in your past leading you to have no real free will in what you choose to do with your life.

Not to mention, if the almighty, great god hand crafted each and everyone of us... how could a good and gracious god create pedophiles, murders and so on?

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Paedophiles are cool, fuck off.
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That only applies to people who believe in Predestination. Nice try.
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Only if you mean monotheism. Polytheism would be a slightly different story.

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yes i would agree we dont because its already planned out and its just a matter of time until the "decisions" are made

because satan has taken a hold of them and convinced them to do bad things

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thats a tough one.i don't think i'm even awake enough to get into that!

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By the way, "free will" requires a belief in the supernatural, since purely natural mechanics cannot allow it.
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Quote: from Mein Alias at 10:29 pm on Jan. 8, 2009
That only applies to people who believe in Predestination. Nice try.

Which makes no difference... each religion differs from another, but if you believe in God creating the world, universe, and everything else in it... how can you say you have free will?

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Quote: from JustKissedLilly at 9:30 pm on Jan. 8, 2009
Only if you mean monotheism. Polytheism would be a slightly different story.

i was thinking that at first too. but shes also mainly talking about christianity. hindus, for example, dont have predestination so their choices do matter

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Quote: from LucidAssassin at 10:30 pm on Jan. 8, 2009
yes i would agree we dont because its already planned out and its just a matter of time until the "decisions" are made

because satan has taken a hold of them and convinced them to do bad things

What about decisions that are made FOR us that are out of are hands such as death....

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Quote: from xsharpi at 9:32 pm on Jan. 8, 2009
Quote: from LucidAssassin at 10:30 pm on Jan. 8, 2009
yes i would agree we dont because its already planned out and its just a matter of time until the "decisions" are made  

 because satan has taken a hold of them and convinced them to do bad things

What about decisions that are made FOR us that are out of are hands such as death....

it was all a part of the plan anyway. you were meant to die

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Quote: from Mein Alias at 4:29 pm on Jan. 9, 2009
That only applies to people who believe in Predestination. Nice try.

No.

The very definition of God, including omniscience, implies that s/he will know your entire life. Thus, nothing you do will really be your own decision, since someone already knew what you were going to do.

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duh duh duh retard, just cuz they say there 9is one GOD doesn't mean there isn't satan to whoever....and satan is who causes all those wankers. I mean, plus, it really isn't as basic as you think it is..read Orsen Scott Card and get some fresh ideas yo.

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Quote: from xsharpi at 9:31 pm on Jan. 8, 2009
Quote: from Mein Alias at 10:29 pm on Jan. 8, 2009
That only applies to people who believe in Predestination. Nice try.  
 

Which makes no difference... each religion differs from another, but if you believe in God creating the world, universe, and everything else in it... how can you say you have free will?

monotheism doesnt instantly mean christianity or that you believe in God. you could always believe in another god there just has to be one

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Quote: from LucidAssassin at 10:35 pm on Jan. 8, 2009
monotheism doesnt instantly mean christianity or that you believe in God. you could always believe in another god there just has to be one

I wasn't attacking the belief in god haha you are misunderstanding, I am very obviously talking about ONE religion in general.

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