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Quote: from Mein Alias at 4:29 pm on Jan. 9, 2009

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That only applies to people who believe in Predestination. Nice try.  
 

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No.

The very definition of God, including omniscience, implies that s/he will know your entire life. Thus, nothing you do will really be your own decision, since someone already knew what you were going to do.

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it was all a part of the plan anyway. you were meant to die

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That's a childish definition of omniscience. If the Christian God knew the future, he never would have made Saul king.

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Then there's the tough-love logic.

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Quote: from LucidAssassin at 10:35 pm on Jan. 8, 2009

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monotheism doesnt instantly mean christianity or that you believe in God. you could always believe in another god there just has to be one

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I wasn't attacking the belief in god haha you are misunderstanding, I am very obviously talking about ONE religion in general.

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when did i say you were attacking it?

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Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.
Burn the heretic. Kill the mutant. Purge the unclean.
Pain is an illusion of the senses; despair is an illusion of the mind.
Life is a prison, death a release.

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and satan is who causes all those wankers.

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Post edited at 9:39 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 by Parsine

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That's a childish definition of omniscience. If the Christian God knew the future, he never would have made Saul king.

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But that is the point really... pointing out the flaws with religion... things that don't really add up.

A religious person would say "God knew... it was part of his plan."

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Quote: from LucidAssassin at 10:34 pm on Jan. 8, 2009

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it was all a part of the plan anyway. you were meant to die

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Hahah exactly.

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i dont understand...so i win?

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Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.
Burn the heretic. Kill the mutant. Purge the unclean.
Pain is an illusion of the senses; despair is an illusion of the mind.
Life is a prison, death a release.

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Quote: from blufindr at 9:34 pm on Jan. 8, 2009

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Quote: from Mein Alias at 4:29 pm on Jan. 9, 2009

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That only applies to people who believe in Predestination. Nice try.    

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No.

The very definition of God, including omniscience, implies that s/he will know your entire life. Thus, nothing you do will really be your own decision, since someone already knew what you were going to do.

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That's a childish definition of omniscience. If the Christian God knew the future, he never would have made Saul king.  

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but he knew that he had to make Saul king. we couldnt possibly understand why things happen the way they do, but everything that happens has a purpose in the end

Post edited at 9:40 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 by LucidAssassin

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Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.
Burn the heretic. Kill the mutant. Purge the unclean.
Pain is an illusion of the senses; despair is an illusion of the mind.
Life is a prison, death a release.

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when did i say you were attacking it?

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Quote: from dpade1337 at 9:35 pm on Jan. 8, 2009

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and satan is who causes all those wankers.

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No, free will causes evil. (To clarify, I'm not talking about paedophiles like the dipshit OP.)

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What the hell is your problem?

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Quote: from xsharpi at 9:37 pm on Jan. 8, 2009

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Quote: from LucidAssassin at 10:34 pm on Jan. 8, 2009

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it was all a part of the plan anyway. you were meant to die

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 Hahah exactly.

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i dont understand...so i win?

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Quote: from dpade1337 at 9:35 pm on Jan. 8, 2009

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and satan is who causes all those wankers.

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No, free will causes evil. (To clarify, I'm not talking about paedophiles like the dipshit OP.)

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free will doesnt cause evil, it causes chaos. evil is a whole different story entirely. yes, people would tend to turn to evil if given free will, but people arent made good by taking free will away

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Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.
Burn the heretic. Kill the mutant. Purge the unclean.
Pain is an illusion of the senses; despair is an illusion of the mind.
Life is a prison, death a release.

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Quote: from LucidAssassin at 10:39 pm on Jan. 8, 2009

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Quote: from xsharpi at 9:37 pm on Jan. 8, 2009

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Quote: from LucidAssassin at 10:34 pm on Jan. 8, 2009

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it was all a part of the plan anyway. you were meant to die

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  Hahah exactly.

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 i dont understand...so i win?

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It can't possibly be part of a plan, and yet still be considered free will. That is my only point.

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but i agreed with you that there is no free will

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Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.
Burn the heretic. Kill the mutant. Purge the unclean.
Pain is an illusion of the senses; despair is an illusion of the mind.
Life is a prison, death a release.

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Quote: from Parsine at 10:38 pm on Jan. 8, 2009

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Quote: from dpade1337 at 9:35 pm on Jan. 8, 2009

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and satan is who causes all those wankers.

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 No, free will causes evil. (To clarify, I'm not talking about paedophiles like the dipshit OP.)

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What the hell is your problem?

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but he knew that he had to make Saul king.

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but i agreed with you that there is no free will

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Bahh I know... lol I was just discussing it with ya :P

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