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Ideally, they'd stay in Palestine.

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Like European colonists and Native Americans in the US should have been treated for example.

Because if Jews are treated as just "guests" (and not full citizens) in the territory once israel is abolish then so should European colonists and their descendants in the US

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When I advocate the destruction of Israel,

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I don't mean the destruction of Jews

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destruction of Zionism and Zionists

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- to kill them all
- to put them all in jail or
- to have them considered the same way as nazis?

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That's how we be survivin'" - BEP

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Ok good. But will they be treated as just "guests" or as PART of the country which will be created on the territory? Will they have EQUAL citizenship rights as the natives?

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Obviously, the only way to reach a truly peaceful solution would be to grant the Israelis who were born in Israel citizenship and be treated as equals with the Palestinians, as well as grant amnesty on all sides along the same lines as what's been occurring in South Africa after the apartheid regime in the 90s and now.

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So when you speak of "destruction" of Israel you mean ABOLISH the Israel STATE really.

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Basically. I just like using words which creates vivid images.

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I am fine with the destruction of Zionism itself. But when you say destruction of "zionists" though do you mean

- to kill them all  
- to put them all in jail or
- to have them considered the same way as nazis?

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Depends. Zionism in the state of Palestine ought to be considered treasonous (as it does advocate overthrowing any government in Palestine, installing a Jewish government, expelling / killing all non-Jews, and reforming Israel). It shouldn't be banned outright (as in, symbols of Israel, publically expressing the better things about Israel, sympathy for the Israelis, etc. shouldn't be abolished, like Nazism is in Germany), but activities going toward that direction in attempt to get Zionism going again and making it a reality could warrant jailtime or otherwise.

Post edited at 3:49 pm on Jan. 6, 2009 by Bud2400

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activities going toward that direction in attempt to get Zionism going again and making it a reality could warrant jailtime or otherwise

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by the way i wonder... where is the Security Council ???
no one turn a hair !!!

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Obviously, the only way to reach a truly peaceful solution would be to grant the Israelis who were born in Israel citizenship and be treated as equals with the Palestinians, as well as grant amnesty on all sides along the same lines as what's been occurring in South Africa after the apartheid regime in the 90s and now.  

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I had a question though: who would be ruling the new country? Only Palestinians? Or a cabinet made of Palestinians and (former) Israelis? What would that state be called? Could it truly  be unified?

I don't know though the way things are going it would take a lot of work for both sides to start seeing each other as human let alone equal citizens. I mean even South Africa under Apartheid was not as filled with old grudges and old bad blood.  

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That's how we be survivin'" - BEP

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Quote: from amanitta at 3:22 pm on Jan. 6, 2009

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by the way i wonder... where is the Security Council  ???  
 no one turn a hair !!!

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I know!!! All the world does is just yack yack yack while kids are dying left and right.    

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hey retard the usa has a veto on the security council, thus there is no point in saying anything there

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whoisabs i'm not sure
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Ok Put that way it sounds fair. Do you think though that Nazism also warrants jailtime?  

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Not necessarily.  Zionism is very specific in where it wants to go and want government it wishes to overthrow, unlike Nazism.  You can be German expressing Nazi values without wishing to overthrow the German government - this is not so with Zionism, where if you express Zionist values, you are directly wishing for the abolition of the Palestinian government.

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I had a question though: who would be ruling the new country? Only Palestinians? Or a cabinet made of Palestinians and (former) Israelis? What would that state be called? Could it truly  be unified?

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The state would need to be called Palestine - that's the state that has existed in that area for the last 2000 years, prior to Zionism turning up and overthrowing it, and then putting Israel in its place.

I'd imagine the cabinet would be made up of both Palestinians and former Israelis. I think South Africa did something like that.

I admire the way South Africa handled the aftermath of apartheid and I think something like that is what would need to be done in this case. Thing is, I hope they could avoid the fate of South Africa, as it's really done nothing but gone downhill since then.  

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I don't know though the way things are going it would take a lot of work for both sides to start seeing each other as human let alone equal citizens. I mean even South Africa under Apartheid was not as filled with old grudges and old bad blood.  

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There was plenty of it. They ought to take a look at how South Africa handled the aftermath of apartheid and how Northern Ireland handled their conflict to really get an understanding of how to peacefully resolve their problems. Obviously I'm not saying mirror what the two did, but they're good guides, I think.

Post edited at 4:57 pm on Jan. 6, 2009 by Bud2400

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how Northern Ireland handled their conflict to really get an understanding of how to peacefully resolve their problems.  Obviously I'm not saying mirror what the two did, but they're good guides, I think.

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Not necessarily.  Zionism is very specific in where it wants to go and want government it wishes to overthrow, unlike Nazism.

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I know its about the creation of Israel but I haven't seen anything about overthrw so I am really curious.  

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You can be German expressing Nazi values without wishing to overthrow the German government

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http://weuropeanhistory.suite101.com/article.cfm/munich_beer_hall_putsch

He also talked about how bad the republic was for Germany so Nazis were certainly for overthrow of governments they thought were hostile to them including the existing German government at the time. .  

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this is not so with Zionism, where if you express Zionist values, you are directly wishing for the abolition of the Palestinian government.

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Post edited at 5:29 pm on Jan. 6, 2009 by jakelong

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That's how we be survivin'" - BEP

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hey retard the usa has a veto on the security council, thus there is no point in saying anything there

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Because they are already in Asia, and I don't want them to move.

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Asia.

Because they are already in Asia, and I don't want them to move.

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