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I still would like to see where Zionism advocates the overthrow of a Palestinian state. I guess we're talking "by default" As in "because they are for a Jewish state" therefore they must be for the overthrow of a Palestinian state.  

What I wonder is that is it possible that one can be for a Jewish state as well as for a Palestinian state WITHOUT going into all that "who was here first" or "who has more right to the land" and all that bullcrap.  

Because as soon as we go into racial right to the land then racialism and racism are right behind it either way. But if we talk instead of simply people being able to live on an area and share it in peace and without hate then there's more ground for agreement.

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Israel has been looking for a two state solution since it's creation.
When they gave up Gaza, they were again looking for some kind of two state solution.
I would also like to see where it advocates for the overthrow of a palestinian state.

http://www.solarnavigator.net/geography/geography_images/Palestine_British_Mandate_1920.jpg

If this was supposed to be the original Jewish state....

http://www.merriam-webster.com/maps/images/maps/israel_map.gif

And the white area is Israel now, then what happened to the rest of the land?

Why isn't jordan and the other areas "palestinian territory"?

It is not like the zionists took all of the land that was considered.
In fact, they only took a fraction of it.

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The way things are right now I don't think that Native Americans "own" the Americas more or less than European or non-European immigrants who came after. Making that point is stupid and unjust either way.

But it is true that AT LEAST Native Americans and Palestinians SHOULD be able to have automatic citizenship in the land where their ancestors were also born.

I don't know if 2-state or 1-state solution is better. But whatever state(s) we are talking about Palestinians should have equal citizenship and equal rights in there don't you think?

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Quote: from football at 9:17 pm on Jan. 6, 2009

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So you read the part about how Israel, was originally Israel? Weird how that worked out huh?

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The spin wasn't as ethnocentric as one would think.

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I am amazed by how these days it is ok to be racist against Jews, and support people who want the Jewish race to be eliminated altogether, yet you same people seem to think that Hitler was bad. Why is it bad for Hitler to want to kill people simply because of their race but it isn't bad for Arabs to do the same?

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Way off buddy; Zionists =/= All Jews. In fact, I know many Jews who do not support a Zionist state. I don't see Hamas killing Jews in America or in Europe, it seems to be localized and for a reason.

tk

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lmao

Is that why a synagogue in france was bombed the other day?

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Quote: from tkster at 4:47 am on Jan. 7, 2009

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Quote: from football at 9:17 pm on Jan. 6, 2009

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So you read the part about how Israel, was originally Israel? Weird how that worked out huh?

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 The spin wasn't as ethnocentric as one would think.  

 

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I am amazed by how these days it is ok to be racist against Jews, and support people who want the Jewish race to be eliminated altogether, yet you same people seem to think that Hitler was bad. Why is it bad for Hitler to want to kill people simply because of their race but it isn't bad for Arabs to do the same?

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 Way off buddy; Zionists =/= All Jews.  In fact, I know many Jews who do not support a Zionist state.  I don't see Hamas killing Jews in America or in Europe, it seems to be localized and for a reason.  

 tk

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lmao

Is that why a synagogue in france was bombed the other day?

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Like in the book The Yiddish Policeman's Union.

But no one's ever read that besides me, so I'm probably just wasting my time, lol.

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Quote: from carracer at 4:11 pm on Jan. 13, 2009

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Quote: from tkster at 4:47 am on Jan. 7, 2009

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Quote: from football at 9:17 pm on Jan. 6, 2009

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So you read the part about how Israel, was originally Israel? Weird how that worked out huh?

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  The spin wasn't as ethnocentric as one would think.

 

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I am amazed by how these days it is ok to be racist against Jews, and support people who want the Jewish race to be eliminated altogether, yet you same people seem to think that Hitler was bad. Why is it bad for Hitler to want to kill people simply because of their race but it isn't bad for Arabs to do the same?

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  Way off buddy; Zionists =/= All Jews. In fact, I know many Jews who do not support a Zionist state. I don't see Hamas killing Jews in America or in Europe, it seems to be localized and for a reason.

  tk

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 lmao  

 Is that why a synagogue in france was bombed the other day?

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and since it was bombed that means it was hamas, get your facts right, it could be anyone.

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http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2009/01/12/europe/EU-France-Synagogue-Attacked.php
Yea. Anyone.

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It was an attack from what it seems anti- Jewish people nothing here claims there part of hamas or have any views supporting them it was an attack.

If i threw a rock at synagogue does that mean all Australians are anti-Jewish?(please don't claim i would do such a thing as I'm anti-Zionist and anti-Israel but not anti-Jewish.

and Molotov's? hmmmm big bombs there using.

Post edited at 10:57 pm on Jan. 12, 2009 by emo sux69

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and since it was bombed that means it was hamas, get your facts right, it could be anyone.

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1. There is anti-semitic feeling showing up more these days

2. There are some ppl who can't make the difference between anti-zionism and anti-semitism.

Maybe you should get your facts rights too...

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Quote: from carracer at 5:40 pm on Jan. 13, 2009

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Quote: from emo sux69 at 9:27 pm on Jan. 12, 2009

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Quote: from carracer at 4:11 pm on Jan. 13, 2009

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Quote: from tkster at 4:47 am on Jan. 7, 2009

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Quote: from football at 9:17 pm on Jan. 6, 2009

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So you read the part about how Israel, was originally Israel? Weird how that worked out huh?

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   The spin wasn't as ethnocentric as one would think.    

   

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I am amazed by how these days it is ok to be racist against Jews, and support people who want the Jewish race to be eliminated altogether, yet you same people seem to think that Hitler was bad. Why is it bad for Hitler to want to kill people simply because of their race but it isn't bad for Arabs to do the same?

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I don't see Hamas killing Jews in America or in Europe, it seems to be localized and for a reason.    

   tk

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  lmao  

  Is that why a synagogue in france was bombed the other day?

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and since it was bombed that means it was hamas, get your facts right, it could be anyone.

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http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2009/01/12/europe/EU-France-Synagogue-Attacked.php
Yea. Anyone.

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Post edited at 12:16 am on Jan. 13, 2009 by emo sux69

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Yeah its true it could be anyone. But the fact is the increase in attacks outside of Israel is linked to anti-Israel feeling and are sreapding the conflict outside of the Middle East and it does show that some ppl don't make the difference between being against Israel and being anti-Jew. And thats fucked up.

I hope you can see all that too.

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Ok he answered wrong (and I missed it).  

Yeah its true it could be anyone. But the fact is the increase in attacks outside of Israel is linked to anti-Israel feeling and are sreapding the conflict outside of the Middle East and it does show that some ppl don't make the difference between being against Israel and being anti-Jew. And thats fucked up.

I hope you can see all that too.

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Same could be said about our western media, who target the Muslim faith numerous times over terrorist accusations and claiming this is what they believe in, stick to the groups not the religion.

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They seem to see that because a Jewish state took over, it means that its actually the Jewish faith that has done this, which is complete blasphemy.

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Same could be said about our western media, who target the Muslim faith numerous times over terrorist accusations and claiming this is what they believe in, stick to the groups not the religion.

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