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Quote: from N e o at 11:00 pm on June 30, 2008

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3. Piss comes out of a vagina, ...

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Pee and period gunk come from the vagina, ...

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No, guys, that's incorrect.

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Ok, I apologize. My point was, that either have the same risks that the poster was arguing. Hygiene is essential for vaginal intercourse, as well as anal intercourse.    

Anal intercourse may require you to take more precautions and both partners must be careful. However when done correctly there is no further risks over vaginal intercourse.

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Urine is sterile, though, feces aren't.

I'm not trying to make a political statement, I'm just a biology major, so my brain is science oriented, lol.

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Then you should know that urine is only sterile to the producer of the urine. Thus defeating your entire argument.

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No, urine excreted from healthy kidneys is completely sterile. It may, however, become contaminated by the bacteria on the skin surrounding the urethra.

And I already said, I'm not making an argument at all, I'm just providing the correct anatomic facts.

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Quote: from N e o at 10:42 pm on July 4, 2008

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Quote: from Prince o palities at 5:19 pm on July 3, 2008

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Quote: from N e o at 5:58 pm on June 30, 2008

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The bible was written by man... And it's very possible that it was written by some tweaker/mad man.

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  Is that probable or just convenient to your belief system?  

  Anyway, you can argue back and forth from design until the cows come home, but the premise of this topic is that the Bible is against homosexuality and that is why the OP can't get behind the Bible.  

  Since the Bible does in fact anathematize homosexual acts, the question is not whether or not it is natural or right, but whether or not the fact that the Bible forbids it goes against the nature of God...which it doesn't.  

  You could prove that 99% of all animals presently living in the world are homosexual and that men were designed to penetrate one another and it still wouldn't get you one inch closer to addressing the topic.

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 It's commonly a fact that is overlooked. I know many people who have dove into the bible without ever even imagining the fact that it was

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Sources?

Because even secular scholars agree that the Old Testament was most likely written by Hebrew scribes over a period of several hundred years, while the New Testament can be ascribed to a handful of different authors over a little more than a century. No one with any academic merit believes that the Bible was written by one singular kook.

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Let me rephrase... It was written my mankind. Regardless of how many people were involved, it does not matter.

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Quote: from exceedinglyrare at 3:30 pm on July 10, 2008

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You, too, missed the analogy...which makes you silly, as it's been explained a good three or four times by now.  

 You made the positive claim ("the Bible was written by a mad man/many mad men" if you're having trouble keeping up, which it seems you are). It is your job to provide evidence of that claim. It is not my job to prove your claim wrong, just as it is not your job to prove that God does not exist.  

 Do you understand or shall I use smaller words?

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It's obvious you did not read my post.

I've clearly backed up my argument using logic as evidence. If you were capable of looking past your belief's, you would understand what I am saying.

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I don't think you're quite getting this.

In the realm of history, logic doesn't cut it. Plenty of things have happened in history that someone looking at them logically would say, "That couldn't have happened." I want you to provide me solid historical evidence for your claims; else you're just jumping to conclusions (a no-no in academia, at least where history is concerned) and have lost the argument.

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Quote: from N e o at 8:35 pm on June 30, 2008

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Quote: from Shogun villimax at 8:41 pm on June 30, 2008

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Because homosexuality is aganst his design.  
  That's not where stick is supposed to go. go.

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 It fits, and it feels good. Not to mention, the male g-spot is there. So how is it not design?

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People only THINK it fits.
It can cause internal bleeding and infections and the "g-spot"
can be reached with fingers and other things that arnt penises.
and thats where poop comes from,making it totaly  
unsanitary.

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1. Last I checked... Vaginal bleeding is possible during sexual intercourse. So is infection.

2. The vagina can also be satisfied with fingers.

3. Piss comes out of a vagina, does that make it any more sanitary? It's called hygiene.

When done correctly, anal bleeding does not occur. There are also solution's to keep the area clean prior to intercourse.

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Quote: from N e o at 11:00 pm on June 30, 2008

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3. Piss comes out of a vagina, ...

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Quote: from nigeltheoutlaw at 1:51 am on July 1, 2008

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Pee and period gunk come from the vagina, ...

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No, guys, that's incorrect.

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? I know there is a tube at the lip of the V that passes urine, but period blood comes from the uterus and passes through the V.

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No, the urethra is anterior to the actual vagina, it is not part of it.

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Quote: from alexisdanielle at 5:56 pm on June 30, 2008

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I don't believe that God hates or discriminates against bi or gay people.    
  It's not a choice, your born with it.    
  God created people, god created bisexuals and gay people.    
  Obviously, he has no problem with it.    

     
  JMO. :)

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  That makes perfect sense. So because some men are attracted, by nature, to little girls...that must mean God has no problem with raping children.

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 Uhm what does that have anything to do with what I said.  

 Being gay/bi is something your born in your brain with.  
 Old men who get attracted to little girls and rape them have something wrong with them that could have occured due to something that happened in their early childhood.  
 

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No, actually most men who are attracted to children were born with that attraction already in their mind and they cannot mature from it to women their own age. What I am getting at is that your argument doesnt hold water. If everything that man was born wanting or desiring was alright by God then there would be no need for the Bible.

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Well not everyone believes in the bible.
And yes most men may be born to be attracted to children, but I'm sure also a lot of that has something to do with their childhood or if they have some sort of illness.

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We are talking about one madman here.

The people that came after him may not have been mad, just devout followers inspired by his scriptures. Madness in the sense that he was most probably a very good storyteller. And what you've said doesn't really classify as evidence that the bible wasn't conceived by a madman.

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Exactly what about it do you think was conceived by a madman? The histories? The poetics? The prophecies? The mythologies? What?

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Quote: from alexisdanielle at 5:56 pm on June 30, 2008

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I don't believe that God hates or discriminates against bi or gay people.  
 It's not a choice, your born with it.  
 God created people, god created bisexuals and gay people.  
 Obviously, he has no problem with it.  

   
 JMO. :)

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That makes perfect sense. So because some men are attracted, by nature, to little girls...that must mean God has no problem with raping children.

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Naturally your attracted to others your own age. This matures as you mature. It's very possible that a mental defect prevents a persons attraction's from maturing.

More interestingly:

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The Centre for Addiction and Mental Health (CAMH), a series of teaching and research facilities in Toronto, Canada, has apparently found that pedophilic males are shorter than average, non-pedolhilic males. Their study was recently published in Sexual Abuse: A Journal of Research and Treatment and suggested that pedophiles may have been "exposed to pre-birth conditions that affected their physical development." The study observed this difference by analyzing the files of over 1,000 men in Toronto who were assessed for pedophilia or other sexual disorders between 1995 and 2006.

"A difference in average height is a trait found in other illnesses with biological links. The average difference in height was two centimeters, which is similar to the shorter height associated with schizophrenia or Alzheimer's disease," says the report on ScienceDaily.com. The report also suggests that pedophilia might, then, be caused by biological factors and if that's true, "the discovery of biological markers for pedophilia has important implications for future study and possibly treatment."

That's not all. The study also found that pedophiles seem to have lower IQs, are three times more likely to be left-handed, have repeatedly failed grades in school, and strangely, had more head injuries as children.  

http://www.bloggernews.net/111451

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Eventually it all leads to the same debate... How are we to define what is and is not natural? It's all based upon what is socially acceptable... This is defined by the moral beliefs of the majority.

As I stated before, the bible was written by man. With all the religion's in the world, it's impossible for them to all be right, if any at all.

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i cant believe you nerds actually cut yourselves

sad shit

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Quote: from N e o at 5:18 pm on July 5, 2008

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Let me rephrase... It was written my mankind. Regardless of how many people were involved, it does not matter.

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So what? That doesn't mean that God did not inspire it, only that He used people to write it.

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Your straying away from my argument. My argument was that because it was written by man kind, there is an extreme possibility that it was all started by some crazy person tweaked out on drugs.

If I were to run around telling people that I had a message from god, you can be assured I'd have my own padded cell to spend some quality time in.

If you want to believe in a higher being, there is nothing wrong with that. However in my opinion, believing in the bible is like reading a fictitious novel and believing it.

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Quote: from TooImaginativeTeen at 9:56 pm on July 7, 2008

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Quote: from exceedinglyrare at 12:56 pm on July 7, 2008

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not only because there is no evidence for such a thing, but also because all of the evidence that exists points to the contrary.

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 Same could be said about god itself.  
 There's no evidence for such a thing, and the evidence seems to point to the contrary of the positive position.  
 To show the needlessness of a god points to the very likely event that it does not exist, or on top of that, that it cares for us.  
 The only reason you have faith in it is because you were taught to have faith in a book whose origins make faith pretty unreasonable to anyone with rational and humble common sense.

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Entirely different situations; there is no real evidence either way for the existence of any deity, but there is concrete evidence that the writing of the Bible was neither originated nor perpetuated by a mad man or many mad men.

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Well...forget mad...how about deluded?

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Quote: from N e o at 8:41 pm on July 6, 2008

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Quote: from exceedinglyrare at 6:11 am on July 6, 2008

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  Are you seriously that thick?

  Find me one scholar of repute who thinks that the Bible was started by one mad man.

  Good luck.

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 Scholar's don't know who wrote the bible. Nothing that I have ever comes across rules out the idea that it could have been started by a madman.

 The possibly that the bible was started by a bunch of people high on ancient drugs. (Yes, they existed.) Has not been discredited. There are people today who get high and claim to have connections with god or a god.  

 Seems as if you refuse to believe in the possibility that I am right.

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I do refuse because THERE IS NO EVIDENCE. If there is evidence, show it to me. Bring me scholars who think this way. I'm still waiting on that (though I've accepted that I'll be waiting a long time because those scholars do. not. exist.).  

Does the possibility exist that the Bible and the beliefs therein were begun by a handful of crazies? Sure, but it's about as likely as the Bible being started by a unicorn tapdancing on the moon: that is, not at all.

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And it's not likely that they were written by people enlightened by the actual creator of the universe either.

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i cant believe you nerds actually cut yourselves

sad shit

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I believe you have the wrong stereotype there, buddy. Emos supposedly cut, not nerds.

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Quote: from Uptown at 12:26 am on Jan. 5, 2009

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i couldn't sit through the pain

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i shouldn't be saying this, but it's not that bad

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i cant believe you nerds actually cut yourselves  

 sad shit

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Go fuck yourself
You have no idea what it is like to willingly harm yourself, and wanting to stop so bad but you just can't.  

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Its the worst thing in the world and its soooo hard to ask for help.

Edit: And they weren't creepy looking when they sounded amazing.

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Quote: from ocho cinco at 12:27 am on Jan. 5, 2009

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i cant believe you nerds actually cut yourselves

  sad shit

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Go fuck yourself  
 You have no idea what it is like to willingly harm yourself, and wanting to stop so bad but you just can't.
 

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Its the worst thing in the world and its soooo hard to ask for help.

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Quote: from ocho cinco at 12:27 am on Jan. 5, 2009

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i cant believe you nerds actually cut yourselves  

 sad shit

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Go fuck yourself
You have no idea what it is like to willingly harm yourself, and wanting to stop so bad but you just can't.  

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Yeah, sorry im not retarded enough to willingly inflict pain and disfigure my body. LOL.

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