Yep Hollywood use to love killing them black people. I thought it got past that until I saw "The Mist". If you ever saw that movie, the script was set up so most of the black people went out and died before things really got started. I think there are other movies in the 21st century that did this. The way the movies and media portray black people of being disposable or the evil ones is why so many people are getting the impression that all black people aren't good to be around.

Post edited at 9:50 pm on Dec. 28, 2008 by Anonymous

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The whole "black people die first in movies" joke is old. I think its exaggerated too. There's probably way more movies where a white dude is the first to die. It really doesn't mean anything.

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But it's not. Back then it would be like a tradition to have a black guy die first or die to save a white guy. The way "The Mist" was set up really agitated me.

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Not all the movies do it though. The media might be a big factor in prejudices but it's not the only factor.

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Well of course not all movies did it, but a lot of them did do it.

Speaking of Vietnam War movies, I remember in Full Metal Jacket (1987), blacks were hardly portrayed in the way you described (I think the first one died later when the Vietnamese girl was sniping them all down, and still another survived, I believe).

Revenge of the Nerds (1984) had all the nerds joining a historically black fraternity, where all the black fraternity members came and saved their asses at the end of the movie. Portrays blacks as tough and threatening, but on the good side as opposed to the bad side.  And even that didn't show the whole picture as the black nerd in the movie was a flambouyant homosexual.

Keep seeing what you want to see.

Post edited at 9:55 pm on Dec. 28, 2008 by Bud2400

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I remember in the movie Platoon, made in 1986, it portrayed a rather mixed platoon where blacks were on both the good and bad side. Seems to contradict what you described in your OP about movies back in the 80s.

Speaking of Vietnam War movies, I remember in Full Metal Jacket (1987), blacks were hardly portrayed in the way you described (I think the first one died later when the Vietnamese girl was sniping them all down, and still another survived, I believe).

Revenge of the Nerds (1984) had all the nerds joining a historically black fraternity, where all the black fraternity members came and saved their asses at the end of the movie. Portrays blacks as tough and threatening, but on the good side as opposed to the bad side.

 
Keep seeing what you want to see.

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See I knew people were going to think I was talking about all movies back then when I stated some and "there are" to imply that I wasn't talking about all movies. But yeah your right, keep seeing what you want to see in my posts  

I mean I don't know if your a movie expert, but I don't think the movies you listed really contradict me since there is such a wide variety of movies

It would only contradict me if I said all movies which I didn't :P

Post edited at 9:57 pm on Dec. 28, 2008 by Anonymous

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See I knew people were going to think I was talking about all movies back then when I stated some and "there are" to imply that I wasn't talking about all movies.

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black people were always the ones to get killed in movies

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Yeah, go ahead and pretend as if you were implying that you were referring to only some.  You wouldn't go ahead and make this post about it if you didn't think it that wasn't a prevailing trend in the entire history of movie making in Hollywood during the 80s and before.

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Quote: from Anonymous at 9:55 pm on Dec. 28, 2008

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See I knew people were going to think I was talking about all movies back then when I stated some and "there are" to imply that I wasn't talking about all movies.

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black people were always the ones to get killed in movies

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Yeah, go ahead and pretend as if you were implying that you were referring to only some. You wouldn't go ahead and make this post about it if you didn't think it that wasn't a prevailing trend in the entire history of movie making in Hollywood during the 80s and before.

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When I said " Were always" I didn't mean in every single movie. You know how people say " Always" not trying to say every single time but to say " a lot of times". Kind of like an over exaggerated phrase. Hard to describe it :P

I said not all but a lot of movies did. I made this topic because I think it deserves discussion.  

The inlfuence of movies has more to do with stereotypes against blacks and portraying them as criminals and thugs. But why they are killed in greater numbers has more to do with problems in cities etc...


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When I said " Were always" I didn't mean in every single movie. You know how people say " Always" not trying to say every single time but to say " a lot of times". Kind of like an over exaggerated phrase. Hard to describe it :P

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I see what you mean, but you ought to be a little more clear.

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I said not all but a lot of movies did. I made this topic because I think it deserves discussion.  

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It does. I think you're right in some sense, but not necessarily with blacks. It's a lot clearer with Asians and Mexicans than blacks.

Most movies before the 90s didn't even have black actors unless it specifically called for it. After all, look at Back to the Future (1985), where the entire cast was white (except for the music group in that one part which were representing a real music group, I believe), or Grease (1978) where the entire cast was white as well.

Personally, I think modern movies are more insulting to blacks than the movies in the past. It's very rare when you don't see a black in most movies these days, largely as a result of the whole "token negro" phenomenon. After all, if you take a look at Gladiator (2000), they use a black actor to represent a man from Numidia, which is where modern Tunisia is. This is a true example of token negroism, for a true Numidian would look like a mix between an Arab and Southern European rather than a black person, but the movies had to get a minority in there somehow to represent the Roman Empire's diversity.

It really takes the individuality from blacks and turns them into a race as opposed to their own person.

Post edited at 10:15 pm on Dec. 28, 2008 by Bud2400

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Yeah. "The Mist" was a good example if you every saw it. I know I have stated this movie a lot but you should watch it. It was basically a " Black person trap". Like the script writer said " Ok we are going to kill the majority of blacks to get them out of the picture so we can continue with the movie" lol

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If you ever see that type of thing in modern movies, it's usually the result of token negroism and the idea that you need some racial diversity in a film today as opposed to something like outright racism against blacks.

The only more modern I can think of that has an all white cast is Titanic (1997), and I think they only did that so that when representing discrimination by the upper class to the lower class, it wouldn't get muddled up with racial discrimination.