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Anti-abortionists are incredibly dumb.
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I've pretty much disowned my sister for her "pro-life" BS. Even after I beat her arguments into a fine dust and left her sputtering and grasping for straws, she continued to insist that "murdering an innocent baby" (as is the mantra of her illiterate crowd) is evil "just because" and stopping it is totally worth forcing thousands of teenage, unready mothers to give birth to their rape-babies.

"It's murder. You're killing a child!"

How could anyone think that's a reasonable point? It's pure semantics. The words we use to describe abortion -- whether they be "terminating a fetus" or "slaughtering an innocent" -- are not relevant to its moral status. To prove abortion wrong, you need to show it violates a shared moral axiom. For instance, killing an actual infant can rationally be considered wrong for two reasons:

- It likely violates the will of the infant. (Legally abortable fetuses are biologically incapable of having a will.)
- It's likely an unchosen tragedy for the infant's loved ones. (Abortions are chosen by the aborter, so no tragedy is forced upon them.)

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i guess. you do your thing and i'll do mine

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There was an anti-abortion demonstration on my campus, and one of the people came up to me and asked, "So what do you think of all this."

To which I replied, "I don't care. It's kind of hard to get my boyfriend pregnant."

She was take aback for a second, and replied, "Well what if your family member gets pregnant and has to have an abortion?"

"My family hates me because I'm gay."

Post edited at 12:12 pm on Dec. 30, 2008 by Fentastic

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i dont thnk guys shoudl be in this agument at all untill we can have kids.... but you are right. oh i should say i think that is a valid stance and one which i would support.

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Quote: from Fentastic at 2:12 pm on Dec. 30, 2008

There was an anti-abortion demonstration on my campus, and one of the people came up to me and asked, "So what do you think of all this."

To which I replied, "I don't care. It's kind of hard to get my boyfriend pregnant."

She was take aback for a second, and replied, "Well what if your family member gets pregnant and has to have an abortion?"

"My family hates me because I'm gay."



Hahahaha.

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Don't disown your sister for having different views. You won't budge, neither will you. I presume your as stubborn as each other.
Its silly to fall out over this.
Just get over it, the both of you.

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I disagree with your proofs.


- It likely violates the will of the infant. (Legally abortable fetuses are biologically incapable of having a will.)

Sure maybe or maybe they are depressed.


- It's likely an unchosen tragedy for the infant's loved ones. (Abortions are chosen by the aborter, so no tragedy is forced upon them.)

Or not. Flowers in the Attic ring any bells. Children are killed every year by their mothers.


On that note abortion is great.


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People are perfectly within their rights to be pro-life. It can be called murder. What choice does the infant get in any of it? None.
Every human is unique, and in killing that potential, there will never be another like it.
That is the stance of pro-lifers.

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its wrong.
that baby doesn't have a choice.
if the aborter didn't want to have
a baby, its this thing called a condom!

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Quote: from LexiSmexi at 12:15 pm on Dec. 30, 2008

its wrong.
that baby doesn't have a choice.
if the aborter didn't want to have  
a baby, its this thing called a condom!

Woah woah woah... there's birth control for females too. Guys don't just point a girl and they become pregnant.

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Sadly, abortions are never retroactive.

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It's better to abort than to kill the poor kid when it's actually a kid. It's better to do it humanely and safely rather than have the child and then decide you can't take care of him/her and abandon them. I hate that it's called pro-life too. What, so supporting the choice makes you anti-life? It's ridiculous.

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Quote: from Fentastic at 12:18 pm on Dec. 30, 2008

Quote: from LexiSmexi at 12:15 pm on Dec. 30, 2008

its wrong.  
 that baby doesn't have a choice.  
 if the aborter didn't want to have
 a baby, its this thing called a condom!  
 

Woah woah woah... there's birth control for females too. Guys don't just point a girl and they become pregnant.


you're right. i wasn't trying to blame guys, but birth control doesn't always work.

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The only ones grasping at straws are those trying to rely on rape and medical emergencies as the justification for why any little whore should have the 'right' to murder their own children.

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Quote: from ashleystarfighter at 12:14 pm on Dec. 30, 2008

Sure maybe or maybe they are depressed.

We have no grounds to assume that. Most humans do not want to die, so the morally responsible assumption lets them live.


Or not. Flowers in the Attic ring any bells. Children are killed every year by their mothers.

It's not always part of the moral problem, but it usually is.

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