But yes, congrats for recognizing skin and muscle cells as alive.

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There was an anti-abortion demonstration on my campus, and one of the people came up to me and asked, "So what do you think of all this."

To which I replied, "I don't care. It's kind of hard to get my boyfriend pregnant."

She was take aback for a second, and replied, "Well what if your family member gets pregnant and has to have an abortion?"

"My family hates me because I'm gay."

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Technically apart from stem cells regular cells fully differentiated do not reproduce.

But yes, congrats for recognizing skin and muscle cells as alive.

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And so if I cut off someone's skin, am I therefore committing murder?

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Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful.It's the transition
that's troublesome.   --Isaac Asimov

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Quote: from osmoticdespair at 4:45 am on Jan. 9, 2009

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Technically apart from stem cells regular cells fully differentiated do not reproduce.  

 But yes, congrats for recognizing skin and muscle cells as alive.

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And so if I cut off someone's skin, am I therefore committing murder?

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Yes, pro choice will allow the woman to get rid of a baby they got by rape, or a teenager can have one if they are not ready for a baby. The mothers life may be at risk.

One could argue the teenager could have used other means of comprehension . If every woman could get a abortion if they choose, they may treat it as a another means of comprehension.

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Pandora didn't think outside the box

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abortion is a bigger moral dilemma than you think.

Yes, pro choice will allow the woman to get rid of a baby they got by rape, or a teenager can have one if they are not ready for a baby. The mothers life may be at risk.  

One could argue the teenager could have used other means of comprehension . If every woman could get a abortion if they choose, they may treat it as a another means of comprehension.

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contraceptive*

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Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful.It's the transition
that's troublesome.   --Isaac Asimov

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Quote: from King kong at 12:04 pm on Jan. 9, 2009

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abortion is a bigger moral dilemma than you think.  

 Yes, pro choice will allow the woman to get rid of a baby they got by rape, or a teenager can have one if they are not ready for a baby. The mothers life may be at risk.

 One could argue the teenager could have used other means of comprehension . If every woman could get a abortion if they choose, they may treat it as a another means of comprehension.  

 

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contraceptive*

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I'm playing poker at the same time, cut me some slack

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Pandora didn't think outside the box

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Quote: from Event Horizon at 4:30 pm on Jan. 9, 2009

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Quote: from osmoticdespair at 4:45 am on Jan. 9, 2009

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Technically apart from stem cells regular cells fully differentiated do not reproduce.

  But yes, congrats for recognizing skin and muscle cells as alive.

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 And so if I cut off someone's skin, am I therefore committing murder?

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No because someone's skin is not a human being. It is merely an organ (or if you only cut off a bit, merely a tissue).

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But it is living is it not?
What makes the fetus any different? It can't survive outside of the body, it has no thoughts of ANY KIND, it can't feel --in the sense that it can't register feelings and actually "feel" them. [especially in the first trimester when there isn't even a developed nervous system]

I know it isn't quite the same, comparing a fetus to a piece of skin, I'm just saying that simply because that particular group of developing cells fulfill the requirements of "life" does not mean that it is a "living child", it just means that it is biotic.

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Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful.It's the transition
that's troublesome.   --Isaac Asimov

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Quote: from King kong at 12:04 pm on Jan. 9, 2009

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abortion is a bigger moral dilemma than you think.  

 Yes, pro choice will allow the woman to get rid of a baby they got by rape, or a teenager can have one if they are not ready for a baby. The mothers life may be at risk.

 One could argue the teenager could have used other means of comprehension . If every woman could get a abortion if they choose, they may treat it as a another means of comprehension.  

 

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contraceptive*

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Now that's a hilarious typo.

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Let yourself be enchanted,
You just might break through
To ever ever after

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Quote: from Event Horizon at 5:15 pm on Jan. 9, 2009

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Quote: from King kong at 12:04 pm on Jan. 9, 2009

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abortion is a bigger moral dilemma than you think.

  Yes, pro choice will allow the woman to get rid of a baby they got by rape, or a teenager can have one if they are not ready for a baby. The mothers life may be at risk.    

  One could argue the teenager could have used other means of comprehension . If every woman could get a abortion if they choose, they may treat it as a another means of comprehension.

 

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 contraceptive*

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I'm playing poker at the same time, cut me some slack

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Tried to be as easy as I could. I figured you might change it before someone chewed you out for it.
I swear people sit on this thing and wait for people to make spelling mistakes and then JUMP up and call them on it....

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Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful.It's the transition
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Quote: from osmoticdespair at 11:51 am on Jan. 9, 2009

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Quote: from Event Horizon at 4:30 pm on Jan. 9, 2009

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Quote: from osmoticdespair at 4:45 am on Jan. 9, 2009

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Technically apart from stem cells regular cells fully differentiated do not reproduce.    

  But yes, congrats for recognizing skin and muscle cells as alive.

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  And so if I cut off someone's skin, am I therefore committing murder?

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No because someone's skin is not a human being. It is merely an organ (or if you only cut off a bit, merely a tissue).

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But it is living is it not?
What makes the fetus any different? It can't survive outside of the body, it has no thoughts of ANY KIND, it can't feel --in the sense that it can't register feelings and actually "feel" them. [especially in the first trimester when there isn't even a developed nervous system]

I know it isn't quite the same, comparing a fetus to a piece of skin, I'm just saying that simply because that particular group of developing cells fulfill the requirements of "life" does not mean that it is a "living child", it just means that it is biotic.

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A fetus is a unique organism - a human being. That it is not yet independent or sentient (in early stages) is irrelevant.

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Do you then consider the sperm-egg zygote to be a unique individual? Where do you draw the line?

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Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful.It's the transition
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Quote: from osmoticdespair at 1:34 pm on Jan. 9, 2009

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A fetus is a unique organism - a human being. That it is not yet independent or sentient (in early stages) is irrelevant.

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Do you then consider the sperm-egg zygote to be a unique individual? Where do you draw the line?

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Quote: from Event Horizon at 11:34 pm on Jan. 9, 2009

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Quote: from osmoticdespair at 1:34 pm on Jan. 9, 2009

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A fetus is a unique organism - a human being. That it is not yet independent or sentient (in early stages) is irrelevant.

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 Do you then consider the sperm-egg zygote to be a unique individual? Where do you draw the line?

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The time at which it becomes a unique organism is in my mind when the nuclei fuse, some people think its when the cells fuse before the nuclei, there is a very short time between those two events so its of little practical consequence. I can hear both arguments.

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And you consider that zygote "alive"? Removing it from the body would be --according to you-- murder?

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Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful.It's the transition
that's troublesome.   --Isaac Asimov