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Quote: from ashleystarfighter at 12:14 pm on Dec. 30, 2008

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Sure maybe or maybe they are depressed.

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We have no grounds to assume that. Most humans do not want to die, so the morally responsible assumption lets them live.

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People are perfectly within their rights to be pro-life. It can be called murder. What choice does the infant get in any of it? None.

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Every human is unique, and in killing that potential, there will never be another like it.

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The only ones grasping at straws are those trying to rely on rape and medical emergencies as the justification for why any little whore should have the 'right' to murder their own children.

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Quote: from Mediocre at 12:20 pm on Dec. 30, 2008

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Quote: from ashleystarfighter at 12:14 pm on Dec. 30, 2008

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Sure maybe or maybe they are depressed.

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 We have no grounds to assume that. Most humans do not want to die, so the morally responsible assumption lets them live.  

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Then what is your point.

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The deny the child a choice, and they refuse to accept that sex is a choice.

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whoisabs i'm not sure
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do you know how they abort some babies?  
they do inhuman things!

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Quote: from whoisabs at 12:20 pm on Dec. 30, 2008

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The only ones grasping at straws are those trying to rely on rape and medical emergencies as the justification for why any little whore should have the 'right' to murder their own children.

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Strawman. Like every other post you've ever made.

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You need to prove that it is a stawman, as any reasonable person understands the difference between rules and exceptions, thus can write a law banning abortion on demand but include clauses that except things such as rape and medical emergencies from such a law.

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whoisabs i'm not sure
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pro-murder

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The deny the child a choice,

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and they refuse to accept that sex is a choice.

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Quote: from Mediocre at 12:26 pm on Dec. 30, 2008

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Quote: from whoisabs at 12:20 pm on Dec. 30, 2008

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The only ones grasping at straws are those trying to rely on rape and medical emergencies as the justification for why any little whore should have the 'right' to murder their own children.

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 Strawman. Like every other post you've ever made.

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You need to prove that it is a stawman, as any reasonable person understands the difference between rules and exceptions, thus can write a law banning abortion on demand but include clauses that except things such as rape and medical emergencies from such a law.

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"Abortion is not wrong, because it violates no moral axiom."

You misrepresented my argument as:

"Abortion is not wrong because some pregnancies are caused by rape."

This is known as a "strawman."

I mentioned rape-babies in my OP because it accurately describes my sister's position. You jumped on this parenthetical because you have no real point against the meat of my post.

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Incest and bestiality are neat.

and of course it is fun to deny choice to those that you wish to murder, similar to denying negros a choice

evolutionary speaking the purpose of sex is for procreation, and that procreation is a natural result from sex

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Quote: from whoisabs at 12:32 pm on Dec. 30, 2008

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Quote: from Mediocre at 12:26 pm on Dec. 30, 2008

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Quote: from whoisabs at 12:20 pm on Dec. 30, 2008

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The only ones grasping at straws are those trying to rely on rape and medical emergencies as the justification for why any little whore should have the 'right' to murder their own children.

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  Strawman. Like every other post you've ever made.

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 You need to prove that it is a stawman, as any reasonable person understands the difference between rules and exceptions, thus can write a law banning abortion on demand but include clauses that except things such as rape and medical emergencies from such a law.

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My argument is:

"Abortion is not wrong, because it violates no moral axiom."

You misrepresented my argument as:

"Abortion is not wrong because some pregnancies are caused by rape."

This is known as a "strawman."

I mentioned rape-babies in my OP because it accurately describes my sister's position. You jumped on this parenthetical because you have no real point against the meat of my post.

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the killing of innocents is a violation of a moral axiom

i win

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whoisabs i'm not sure
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murder isn't just a legal term, but keep grasping at straws

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and of course it is fun to deny choice to those that you wish to murder,

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similar to denying negros a choice

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evolutionary speaking the purpose of sex is for procreation,

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the killing of innocents is a violation of a moral axiom

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Killing a fetus does not harm anything or violate any will. It does not offend the most basic moral concepts.

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And abortion used as birth control is incredibly ignorant.

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"God does not play dice" - Albert Einstein
"God does play dice" - Stephen Hawking

Bohica

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I've pretty much disowned my sister for her "pro-life" BS. Even after I beat her arguments into a fine dust and left her sputtering and grasping for straws, she continued to insist that "murdering an innocent baby" (as is the mantra of her illiterate crowd) is evil "just because" and stopping it is totally worth forcing thousands of teenage, unready mothers to give birth to their rape-babies.

"It's murder. You're killing a child!"

How could anyone think that's a reasonable point? It's pure semantics. The words we use to describe abortion -- whether they be "terminating a fetus" or "slaughtering an innocent" -- are not relevant to its moral status. To prove abortion wrong, you need to show it violates a shared moral axiom. For instance, killing an actual infant can rationally be considered wrong for two reasons:

- It likely violates the will of the infant. (Legally abortable fetuses are biologically incapable of having a will.)
- It's likely an unchosen tragedy for the infant's loved ones. (Abortions are chosen by the aborter, so no tragedy is forced upon them.)

K?

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