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Quote: from MourningAir at 5:12 pm on Jan. 2, 2009
 You might be interested in this!
a discussion over why Christianity is different
Nothing in that was even remotely interesting, thought provoking or convincing. I found these especially humorous.
The primary difference is obvious--our God is a LIVING GOD, not an inanimate object such as the various "gods" you have mentioned above.
All this genius manged to do was find a shoddy way to undermine the validity of ancient religions which used objects as a way of communicating with their Gods. Aside from offering no solid proof that Christianity is more valid than any other religion, they also completely neglected the fact that most modern religions do not involve the worship of idols. This post completely ignores all monotheistic religions, as well as most eastern religions.
So let me ask you the same Question. Why is science so special? What makes you think in 100 years or maybe even in your life time, That what you believe now will still be there? (Did you hear about Pluto?) My confused brother, the burden of "proof" is on you. Especially because your "religion" demands it! Ours is content with us just having faith.
This second fellow here, although seemingly more literate than the first, is arguing that the burden of proof lies with those who believe in science over religion. The problem here is that science PROVIDES proof already. This guy is arguing that because science has been disproven and expanded upon in the past, it is not an absolute truth. While that might be the case (and I think any logical person would agree that science is not infallible), is already has done something that religion has never done and will likely never do: It has compiled thousands years of facts. Religion's only form of proof lies in it's own doctrines, which is not proof at all. This is not all to say that it's not possible that any given faith is not true. It is to say that the burden of proof lies with religion. The side that makes claims that go beyond our own perception and observation should always be the one that needs to back up their views.
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I could go on but that whole topic kind of makes me annoyed.
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God has been trying to guide humans to believe forever. Even when they did start to believe, they would stray from the right path, again and again. The many prophets of God continued to try to show the people the right way. But people would twist God's and the Prophets' words, making new religions. When Messanger Mohammad (pbuh) came, he was the final messanger. He introduced Islam, the purist, most accurate religion. Still many people did not believe, but Mohammad also had many followers. Islam is spreading throughout the world, thousands of native american converts even, every year. Anyway, I believe Islam is the truest religion. It teaches peace and morals. I see other religions as twisted beliefs - changed to suit the peoples' wants and lifestyles. This is why there are so many religions.
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Quote: from MourningAir at 7:27 pm on Jan. 2, 2009
Quote: from LittleBombs at 8:08 pm on Jan. 2, 2009
Whatever you believe is right. Not one religion can be 100% proven to be right.
So I could start a religion that promotes child abuse because deep inside that's what my personal conscience dictates is "right?" But I do agree that there is not a way to prove to everyone the validity of a religion simply because many people do not -want- to believe and reject such notions from the beginning.
I didn't mean that, your just trying to start an argument. What I am saying is, if your hurting no one, and live in peace then you are right. But no one should preach to each other and shove beliefs down each others throat, cause that would be wrong.
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The competing validity claims of all religions betray the obvious fact that they were created by ignorant, poor, superstitious,and mostly illiterate people who were attepmting to fill information gaps without science.
This assertion merely reveals your ignorance of religion. You do understand that there is a difference between some religions with which you are familiar and religion the category, right? That there are religions that do not claim to be valid to the point of invalidating others, that do not make any claims in the realms of science, and that lack superstition?
Let's just admit that religion is wishful thinking that helps us deal with our eventual death.
That would be a hasty generalization, no?
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Quote: from LittleBombs at 9:11 am on Jan. 3, 2009
I didn't mean that, your just trying to start an argument. What I am saying is, if your hurting no one, and live in peace then you are right. But no one should preach to each other and shove beliefs down each others throat, cause that would be wrong.
Asking you to explain your statement is trying to start an argument? You should probably stay out of R&P then.
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Quote: from MourningAir at 12:55 pm on Jan. 3, 2009
Quote: from LittleBombs at 9:11 am on Jan. 3, 2009
I didn't mean that, your just trying to start an argument. What I am saying is, if your hurting no one, and live in peace then you are right. But no one should preach to each other and shove beliefs down each others throat, cause that would be wrong.
Asking you to explain your statement is trying to start an argument? You should probably stay out of R&P then.
It's your tone.  I have noticed a hell of a lot of people on the religion forum have a tone, and I'm not gonna be nice to someone who talks down to me like I am stupid.
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Quote: from LittleBombs at 3:57 pm on Jan. 3, 2009
Quote: from MourningAir at 12:55 pm on Jan. 3, 2009
Quote: from LittleBombs at 9:11 am on Jan. 3, 2009
I didn't mean that, your just trying to start an argument. What I am saying is, if your hurting no one, and live in peace then you are right. But no one should preach to each other and shove beliefs down each others throat, cause that would be wrong.
Asking you to explain your statement is trying to start an argument? You should probably stay out of R&P then.
It's your tone. I have noticed a hell of a lot of people on the religion forum have a tone, and I'm not gonna be nice to someone who talks down to me like I am stupid.
My tone? All I did was pose a question to you and then I agreed with part of what you're saying... I really don't see how that's talking down to you. I think you're just paranoid/a bit biased in regards to how you think Christians view nonbelievers.
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