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Quote: from carbonara at 2:46 pm on Jan. 2, 2009

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I hate that term 'over moderating', what a load of BS, if you see something that needs to be done then do it if you can. Who cares if you've got a ton of actions in a short space of time. I don't know why some of the existing mods see that as a bad thing.

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I think you're interpreting "over moderating" wrongly.  Over-moderation isn't acting on things that need to be acted on, it's going too far and acting on the tiniest things or things that have no business being moderated in the first place, searching for things to act on and applying illogical sense to justify the moderating, going TOO far with moderation, basically.  There's definitely a line, and over-moderation is definitely not a load of "BS."

It's probably the number one issue with moderators, both here and in general.

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But I don't see how that can be done with the powers SL's are given. Obviously that can be done by a moderator, but SLs have very little powers that can be over moderated.

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But I don't see how that can be done with the powers SL's are given. Obviously that can be done by a moderator, but SLs have very little powers that can be over moderated.

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SLs can easily over-moderate.

Removing posts that need not be removed, voting to delete eHelps that do not need removal, moving topics that could belong in either forum.  

Any time a power is given it can be taken to an extreme.  Not saying Hss has done it/does it, this reply is specifically about the comment you made.

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Being supportive demonstrates that one is a respectable member, or at least should.

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respectable members dont run about trolling the forums, or spamming things up, or throwing temper tantrums on a weekly if not daily basis, as you had been doing. having a past history of supportive behaviour does not and should not make you immune from your other conduct being judged and acted on. i used to be really supportive, hell i even modded this site for like 3 years, but if i was to go into dtrm and whip up a mass of attention-seeking spam, or to create loads of whiney topics in M2M where i swore like crazy and insulted many moderators on a personal level, i wouldn't expect any favours on the onus of what i once was, or what i could be.

i guess what im saying is that i dont think a past, or a potential future, or some supportive behaviour warrants excusal from unacceptable (and not to mention offensive) behaviour. and if you did really give a shit about this site like you claim to, you'd see that.

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additionally, if you really want to support others then you will do it on the pure basis of helping someone. all this stuff about wanting people to show you gratitude and wanting some sort of reward for how many eHelps you've ticked off, kind of makes it seem like you were never really supporting for the right intentions. go have a quick look at members like amiee, and it should be startlingly obvious where the differences lie.

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But come on, Amiee might not be recognized enough, but she sure as hell didn't get harassed like I did.

Now, I know she doesn't go about posting tons of angry threads here, BUT, even if I didn't like what she said, I wouldn't go and blame her for being power hungry and be a total jerk if she was just trying to help the site.

Post edited at 8:04 am on Jan. 3, 2009 by iconoclast

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Quote: from prisoner of hss at 11:42 pm on Jan. 2, 2009

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Being supportive demonstrates that one is a respectable member, or at least should.

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respectable members dont run about trolling the forums, or spamming things up, or throwing temper tantrums on a weekly if not daily basis, as you had been doing. having a past history of supportive behaviour does not and should not make you immune from your other conduct being judged and acted on. i used to be really supportive, hell i even modded this site for like 3 years, but if i was to go into dtrm and whip up a mass of attention-seeking spam, or to create loads of whiney topics in M2M where i swore like crazy and insulted many moderators on a personal level, i wouldn't expect any favours on the onus of what i once was, or what i could be.  

i guess what im saying is that i dont think a past, or a potential future, or some supportive behaviour warrants excusal from unacceptable (and not to mention offensive) behaviour. and if you did really give a shit about this site like you claim to, you'd see that.

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Modding this site doesn't really mean anything in this topic, because 'support' is supposed to be what this site is about....which is the focus here. The point I'm making is that you should be reasonable (which doesn't mean you have to bow down and agree) to someone who is supportive in general, regardless of trivial stuff like "omfg too many mod topics" "omfg he made a spam topic in DTRM!"

Post edited at 8:00 am on Jan. 3, 2009 by iconoclast

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i don't see why you can't carry on making all your suggestions but being supportive too? yeah, i know, all the shit you got put you off and you think supportive members need more respect and all that stuff, but why should negative attitudes from the mods (or other members) stop you doing what you're fighting for with all these suggestions?

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I'm not nearly as serious before...

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this is good. i like you when you're supportive. who cares how everyone else treats you, what you're doing is between you and the person you're supporting. that's it. if you carry on as you are now then not only are you supporting people but you'll also have the support of other members, i would think, when proposing all these new ideas. and if not, well, whatever. maybe you and i differ here (in fact, it would appear that we do) but i think it'd help to just... not give a shit what people thought of you making these suggestions and trying to better the site. find the people on your side and continue with your suggestions but, more importantly, continue with your support. it's good, not that i need to tell you that.

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It just seemed really stupid that the supposed 'responsible'  members of this site were reduced to this crap just because of a bunch of trivial shit. Like, it wasn't just isolated comments, which I really wouldn't have cared, it was constant nitpicking and annoying.

Post edited at 8:17 am on Jan. 3, 2009 by iconoclast

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1) support. You are a very supportive member, always have been. As Doommaker you were fabulous, and a lot of people were the benefit of your excellent support, advice, and work as a support leader. You have started doing that again, and I appreciate that a lot. It is great to see people who care about livewire.

2) trolling/power hungry etc. Like Katy said, I don't understand why issue one and issue two have anything to do with one another. People did not accuse you of being power hungry because you were supportive, they accused you of being power hungry because you were making a ridiculous number of topics not just suggesting, but demanding change. the accusations had nothing to do with one another. They are seperate issues and have nothing to do with one another.

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I think that the first thing we need to do is separate the issues here.

1) support. You are a very supportive member, always have been. As Doommaker you were fabulous, and a lot of people were the benefit of your excellent support, advice, and work as a support leader. You have started doing that again, and I appreciate that a lot. It is great to see people who care about livewire.

2) trolling/power hungry etc. Like Katy said, I don't understand why issue one and issue two have anything to do with one another. People did not accuse you of being power hungry because you were supportive, they accused you of being power hungry because you were making a ridiculous number of topics not just suggesting, but demanding change. the accusations had nothing to do with one another. They are seperate issues and have nothing to do with one another.

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Post edited at 10:42 am on Jan. 3, 2009 by iconoclast

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