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Quote: from roflfuckyou at 4:41 am on Jan. 2, 2009

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I've read a few of your eHelp replies, and I do think you are actually a really good support leader.  

 You know I disagree with you when you say that a lot of eHelps are written by trolls and spammers etc, but I understand where you're coming from.  

 I don't know what happened with the mods and putting you up for DOS, or how you were treated last time, but I appreciate you as a support leader.

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I never said they were written by trolls, just new members who don't know what they're doing. As much as we don't want to touch ehelp, we really have to have strict standards for what goes in there, because if we don't, it just deteriorates. The condition of the ehelp system is a lot worse than 2007, let alone 2005-2006.

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Quote: from prisoner of hss at 8:43 pm on Jan. 2, 2009

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Quote: from roflfuckyou at 4:41 am on Jan. 2, 2009

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I've read a few of your eHelp replies, and I do think you are actually a really good support leader.

  You know I disagree with you when you say that a lot of eHelps are written by trolls and spammers etc, but I understand where you're coming from.

  I don't know what happened with the mods and putting you up for DOS, or how you were treated last time, but I appreciate you as a support leader.

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I never said they were written by trolls, just new members who don't know what they're doing. As much as we don't want to touch ehelp, we really have to have strict standards for what goes in there, because if we don't, it just deteriorates. The condition of the ehelp system is a lot worse than 2007, let alone 2005-2006.

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Hmm, I see your point and in some ways I agree with you.
But we can't judge what is an emergency to someone, you know.

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But the majority are easy to tell (one day active and no topics) and would probably actually get better feedback in the forums. I mean, it's not like we're going to move it to DTRM or something, if the feature existed.

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Post edited at 2:03 am on Jan. 2, 2009 by iconoclast

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think we can tell reasonably well for the most part, some are iffy, and I have no problem letting them stay if we're not entirely sure.

But the majority are easy to tell (one day active and no topics) and would probably actually get better feedback in the forums. I mean, it's not like we're going to move it to DTRM or something, if the feature existed.

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I don't think the eHelp forum is that bad, I know a lot of them pail in comparison to some that are asking real emergency type questions, but to those people it's a serious thing.
If there are some that the mods think shouldn't be there, they can message the member and delete the post, but if it's guest or anonymous that makes it difficult.
If that feature (being able to move from eHelp to forum) were available we wouldn't be able to move the guest posts though.

There's always the chance that someone joined just to make the ehelp, and I've seen people like that, but the vast majority of the time, that's not the case.

And I know some people consider 'petty' issues to be an emergency; those should stay, but I'm not talking about those. I'm talking about the ones that are almost certainly put there accidentally. And nothing is perfect, but again, we have to make sacrifices to keep ehelp about real support. Ideally we could have everything perfect, but we can't. Nonetheless, the benefits we get from 'cleaning up' ehelp will far outweigh the occasional guest who really meant to put it there and has it moved (as callous as this sounds). It's just necessary.

IDK, maybe a feature could be designed to move guest ehelps to the forums, or at least the serious forum.

Post edited at 2:12 am on Jan. 2, 2009 by iconoclast

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We wouldn't usually move something to tdei, because topics about depression should stay. I'm not talking about those, I'm talking mostly about stuff like pregnancy, dating, cheating, etc. There seems to be a massive amount of those by members who just don't know what they're doing.  

There's always the chance that someone joined just to make the ehelp, and I've seen people like that, but the vast majority of the time, that's not the case.  

And I know some people consider 'petty' issues to be an emergency; those should stay, but I'm not talking about those. I'm talking about the ones that are almost certainly put there accidentally. And nothing is perfect, but again, we have to make sacrifices to keep ehelp about real support. Ideally we could have everything perfect, but we can't. Nonetheless, the benefits we get from 'cleaning up' ehelp will far outweigh the occasional guest who really meant to put it there and has it moved (as callous as this sounds). It's just necessary.

IDK, maybe a feature could be designed to move guest ehelps to the forums, or at least the serious forum.

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And some how find a way for guest posts to be moved there.

You don't owe it to supportive people to hold back your opinions more often that you do for non-supportive people. Supportive members should be welcomed when they're not really annoying otherwise. It is possible, actually.

You will be recognized for being supportive regardless of whether you're power hungry, and you will be recognized for being power hungry regardless of whether you're supportive.

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Nobody accused you of anything because you were being supportive. Whether or not you were supportive, you would've been treated like that because of the attitude you displayed about power or whatever you wanna call it.

You don't owe it to supportive people to hold back your opinions more often that you do for non-supportive people. Supportive members should be welcomed when they're not really annoying otherwise. It is possible, actually.

You will be recognized for being supportive regardless of whether you're power hungry, and you will be recognized for being power hungry regardless of whether you're supportive.

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The only attitudes I expressed about power were annoyance that people were promoted who weren't supportive. I personally don't see anything power hungry about that.

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I always got the impression that being supportive had fuck all to do with people calling you power hungry and whatever.  You were making a ton of those topics about everything that needs to be fixed, albeit more aggressively than you do right now.  As a result, I noticed it rub off the wrong way on people and what do they do?  They look for the first thing to accuse you of that comes to mind!

Your suggestions these days are presented in a much more mild way and don't come off as so spiteful, hence why I don't think you have so many people being antagonistic towards you today as you did then.  Any time somebody gets their panties in a frill, they're going to try to talk shit to you regardless of anything else.  I don't think it'd be any different if you weren't a support leader, although I can see why they would use that to their advantage when you were.

Anyways, just tell your haters to shut up and start supporting the next time they start accusing you.

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I hate that term 'over moderating', what a load of BS, if you see something that needs to be done then do it if you can. Who cares if you've got a ton of actions in a short space of time. I don't know why some of the existing mods see that as a bad thing.

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I think you're interpreting "over moderating" wrongly.  Over-moderation isn't acting on things that need to be acted on, it's going too far and acting on the tiniest things or things that have no business being moderated in the first place, searching for things to act on and applying illogical sense to justify the moderating, going TOO far with moderation, basically.  There's definitely a line, and over-moderation is definitely not a load of "BS."

It's probably the number one issue with moderators, both here and in general.

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For example, putting me up for DOS was completely unnecessary, if I had simply been given a message to shut up, I would have. And many of you know that I would have, yet the whole thing was allowed to happen anyway.  

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I'm not nearly as serious before...

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this is good. i like you when you're supportive. who cares how everyone else treats you, what you're doing is between you and the person you're supporting. that's it. if you carry on as you are now then not only are you supporting people but you'll also have the support of other members, i would think, when proposing all these new ideas. and if not, well, whatever. maybe you and i differ here (in fact, it would appear that we do) but i think it'd help to just... not give a shit what people thought of you making these suggestions and trying to better the site. find the people on your side and continue with your suggestions but, more importantly, continue with your support. it's good, not that i need to tell you that.

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